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Are any of you Essene Christians?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Onieu, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Onieu

    Onieu Newbie

    Correct. Marriage was allowed, but the ideal and preference was celibacy. Just as Paul says that it is superior not to remarry but one does not sin by remarrying.

    and yes the Pharisees had a lunar calendar whereas the Essenes and the Christians did not go by the lunar calendar but by the Solar Calendar. take for example Revelation of John's 3.5 ears is said to equal 1260 days which is only possible in a solar calendar.
  2. GuardianShua

    GuardianShua Well-Known Member

    And how do you plan on restoring their faith? Have you given any thought to the 7 Lamps?
    The Seven Morning Stars are the leaders of people of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations.

    Revelation 1:19, 20. 19 Write therefore what you have seen, what is now, and what will take place later. The mystery of the Seven Stars that you saw in my right hand and of the Seven Golden Lampsticks is this: The Seven Stars are the messengers of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations.

    Revelation 2:1.
    To the messenger of the congregation in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the Seven Stars in his right hand and walks among the Seven Golden Lampsticks.

    Revelation 1:5
    Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

    Revelation 3:1
    "To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

    Revelation 4:5
    From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

    Revelation 5:6
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

    Zechariah 3:9
    See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,’ says the LORD Almighty, ‘and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day.

    Zechariah 4:10
    “Who dares despise the day of small things, since the seven eyes of the LORD that range throughout the earth will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel?”

    Job 3:9
    May its Morning Stars become dark; may it wait for daylight in vain and not see the first rays of dawn,

    Job 3:9 is about "The Mount of The Congregation of Zion" being saved by Yahshua in the last days.

    Job 38:7
    while the Morning Stars sang together and all the messengers shouted for joy?

    Job 38:7 is talking about the people of The Kingdom of God on Earth.

    Job 38
    31 "Can you (bind / prevent) the (beautiful twinkling of the (Pleiades / Seven Stars?) Can you loose the cords of (Orion / The Shepherd?)
    32 Can you bring forth the (constellations / Morning Stars) in their seasons or lead out the (Bear Satan)with its (cubs satans?) 33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's (dominion kingdom) (over / upon) the earth?

    Isaiah 14:12
    How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the [earth / ground], you who once laid low the nations!

    Isaiah 14:12 is about Israel who once laid low the nations around it. And it's self was destroyed in 133 AD.

    2 Peter 1:19
    And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, like a light shining in a dark place, until that day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.

    2 Peter 1:19 is about Yahshua saving The Seven Stars (The Mount of The Congregation Zion) in the last days.

    Revelation 2:28
    just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also (give / appoint) him (the / as a) Morning Star.

    Revelation 22:16
    "I, Yahshua, have sent my messenger [John] to give you this testimony for the congregations. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and The Bright Morning Star."
  3. Onieu

    Onieu Newbie

    How I do it is I regard the Dead Sea Scrolls as their own belief system.

    Then I take all of the ancient witnesses about what they believed, especially Josephus.

    Then I look at the books they accepted as Scripture in the Dead Sea Scrolls and use them to provide a general system of beliefs and way of life.

    Using the church father's testimony as well as peculiar similarities, I conclude the Essenes were messianic jews, and their Teacher of Righteousness was none other than the Messiah Himself. So i would establish the Essenes were Christians. This is a key to the restoration.

    And finally, demonstrating that they were Christians, I show from the apocrypha which I accept as Scripture that the New Testament Apocrypha were written by Essenes. By showing that, I can then go on to say that all the teachings in the New Testament apocrypha are representative of Essenes.

    As to the seven lampstands, I do not share that interpretation of Israel being replaced. Israel was destroyed but was prophesied to return and has returned as prophesied. the ten tribes as prophesied will also return when the Messiah returns as well
  4. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

    Establishing Essene faith with a congregations can be done ... lots of preaching and praying, and solid foundation by which the adheres know what they are getting into... and you might want to track down those of like minded... http://www.communityofpeace.net/Britxt/Bchurch.htm
  5. Onieu

    Onieu Newbie

    Thanks. I appreciate your advice, especially about the praying.

    But I do not believe those individuals have a like mindedness. They don't hold to the same basis as I do. For example, they do not consider the Dead Sea Scrolls as the basis of the Essene teachings. they consider szkeley as the basis, or however you spell his name. or rather the apocryphal book which that man claimed to have discovered and later said was an Essene document. and they reject most of the OT and NT as false im pretty sure.
  6. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

    I never said it would be a match for what you are looking for.. :D... For all I know, we might be a better match, but just do not go by the name you would like.
  7. Onieu

    Onieu Newbie

    lol i am very convinced we would be a much better match =D
  8. ananda

    ananda Early Buddhist

    Shalom! I'm not an Essene, but I can be considered a neo-Ebionite-Nazarene Messianic believer (ancient groups known to be somewhat connected to the Essenes).
  9. Onieu

    Onieu Newbie

    Thanks for sharing! =)