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Featured Are angels the same as demons?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by mathinspiration, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. GoldenKingGaze

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    I think Lucifer fell perhaps before the beginning of this whole universe. Heaven not the stars existed first. I think the worlds are like ours, there are creatures like us, some with different shaped bodies. But all started out naive. All new and to be tested to have a nature that comes to resist sin. Some resisted and some fouled up, like us. Few would be as lacking intellect as us.

    I doubt there were that many Nephilim, and I think they are described as being locked in gloomy dungeons until Christ appeared to them in His death.
     
  2. AnticipateHisComing

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    We have to agree to disagree because I do not believe that angles are above men in this age. Meaning, God does not hold angels in higher regard even while we are corrupted with sin.
     
  3. yeshuasavedme

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    No they are not.
    demons are the disembodied, damned, spirits of the offspring of the fallen Watchers and the daughters of Adam.
    They roam earth seeking a body to inhabit to do their wicked pleasures in and to torment those they do oppress.

    Enoch chapter 14, 15, tells exactly what they are and why they can only roam earth in their disembodied state until the angels gather them up at the end of the age and cast them into the Lake of Fire, body-less. They will never get their flesh bodies back because they were unlawfully got by gene splitting to get sons from the flesh of the daughters of Adam, which was done by their evil, fallen, once holy angel fathers, who were watchers/rulers over men.
    Devils are not demons. Devils are evil spirits, satans. They were never holy, and the Lake of Fire was created for them to reign in, with one prince of darkness, the chief Evil Satan, as their king.
    The words, "evil spirits and demons" are interchangable, but evil angels in the OT are Satans, not demons.
    Ghost is spirit.
    Fallen angels are not satans.
     
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  4. yeshuasavedme

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    The heavens and the earth were created in the beginning, but there was no "heaven"
    "out there", and earth was not formed "out of the waters" and the waters were not "cut in two" with the heavens stretched out from the earth, between the cut in two waters until day two of creation week. Neither the heavens nor the earth were yet formed, "in the beginning" and were not named until they were "formed". It was a globe of waters, and powers, until day 2, and day 3.
    The heavens were named on day 2. They were named "two waters" =Shemayim.
    Earth was not named until it was formed out of the waters on day 3, as the "Dry". God called the "dry" Earth".
    There were no stars "out there" until the heavens were stretched out from the earth between the cut in two waters. Half the waters are still above the stretched out heavens, and the stars had their beginning right here on this globe when it was yet "waters" and "powers"; they came from here, where we are. In the time described in Revelation, they will fall back down to here, when the LORD makes all things new.
     
  5. yeshuasavedme

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    The pre-flood ones were, but more angels fell after the flood and did the same. They did not heed the warning, as Jude states that those angels were chained who fell as a warning to others not to do that....there's a much worse doom awaiting them, as pr Enoch.
    Seems that more are to do it in the end, and maybe even now it has begun....
     
  6. GoldenKingGaze

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    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    From God's place God created the Heavens we call the sky. And when God created man and woman, the angels were already very ancient although they don't essentially exist in time.

    Genesis is the story of this world, among many older ones and new ones on their way. God is always creating, so this gives credence the multiverse concept and begs the question of how many God made from His place before our universe?

    The beginning is the beginning of time. But God is above time, as I AM THAT I AM. From the inception of time to the Earth is a gap of maybe 8 billion years.
     
  7. yeshuasavedme

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    There was no heavens and no earth before Genesis 1:1 They are "created" of one piece. The heavens are not stretched out from the earth between the cut in two waters of creation until day 2.
    The heavens / firmament of His powers were stretched out between the waters of creation, which waters had created within them the elemental building "blocks" for every formed "thing" which came forth from them, by the command of God the Word, after day 1.
    No heavens stretched out before day 2 and no stars because there was no heavens stretched out for them.
    Personally, as I understand it at this time, is that the "firmament of His powers" included within them the "elemental building blocks" for everything that heavens were filled with. Planets/wandering stars were not created before the heavens were stretched out, and everything that the heavens are filled with existed without form in the elemental powers of His creation, in the powers of His firmament, and were called into their being out of those powers stretched out, between the waters of the globe on day 2.

    The entire creation is centered in this earth, and everything that "in the heavens and the earth is", had its primal origin right here, from this earth, when it was only a globe of waters and the firmament of His powers -not yet stretched out.
     
  8. GoldenKingGaze

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    There is first, second and third Heaven. Multiverse, God's home and the angels were in Heaven where God lives. Where God's central presence is is great order. It is a man made teaching that creation took place only thousands of years ago and happened quickly. There is a gap between God making the Heavens and God restoring order to Earth which was flooded in Genesis 1. "His Spirit hovered over the great deep."
     
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