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Featured Are angels the same as demons?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by mathinspiration, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. JacksBratt

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    Demons are not just another term for Fallen angels. Angels have super natural bodies that can take many forms. They can even look like humans and we are told that we may have entertained angles without being aware of it.

    Demons cannot do any of these things. They search for a body to possess.

    I don't know why so many people have so much trouble with Genesis 6.

    It is pretty simple. Angels sinned, left their "first estate" (found in Jude), mated with women and produced a hybrid that corrupted the earth.

    This was Satan's first attempt at 1/ corrupting mankind so nobody could go to heaven. and 2/ corrupting the human DNA so that Christ could never be born fully human and save our race.

    Why is it so hard to believe that angels did this?

    This gives an explanation for all of the megalithic structures of this earth that are obviously done with some technology or ability that is beyond even what we have today...
     
  2. Sanoy

    Sanoy Well-Known Member

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    It's quoted in scripture as scripture. #38
     
  3. Cat Loaf You

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    Angels who disobey God and choose Satan are fallen angels / are called Devil's Angels .

    Demons however are disembodied spirits made from mix between human and Angel .

    Difference is Angels don't need body , demons want to possess body .
    So demons must be less powerful .
     
  4. Sanoy

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    I think it's fashion. I think the church has become so eager to keep up with modern fashion that we reinvent our founding traditions so that we can keep our membership to the world club and dance in their ballroom.
     
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  5. JacksBratt

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    I also think that they didn't really know how to explain it. This portion of scripture gets into a lot of really crazy stuff.
     
  6. GoldenKingGaze

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    One teachings says angels fell and became demons, while another simply calls them fallen angels and has the origin of demons being creatures that were people, who fell from grace at a later time. Looking at Genesis, the people before the creation of Adam.
     
  7. Randy777

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    To state as others demon is a word meaning evil spirit. They weren't made evil. They chose to rebel against God and lost their place in heaven and now stand condemned.
    Randy
     
  8. JacksBratt

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    Can you post some of the sources for this? I have read the bible and I didn't see, anywhere, where it says that there was people before Adam.
     
  9. lamb7

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    I think demons are angels, angels are species so to say I suppose? Demons are just disobedient angels not serving God.
     
  10. JacksBratt

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    I don't see, anywhere, in any scripture where the two are interchangeable. Angels are angels... fallen or not. Demons are demons and search for a place to dwell.
     
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  11. Ken Rank

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    There are some who believe that the fallen angels mated with human women. This comes from the book of Enoch where it is spoken fairly straight forwardly, and it can be derived from the idea that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 took "daughters of men" (i.e. human women) as their wives. Their offspring are the giants of scripture.

    God destroyed the world through water and all those offspring died. There are some believe it is their souls, if you will, that are the demons Satan uses as his imps.

    I am not saying I do or don't believe what I just shared... I am simply sharing what some believe as something to consider.
     
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  12. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    Check out these verses in Revelation 16. They show that there is a difference between Fallen Angels and Evil Spirits/Demons:


    And I saw Three Unclean Spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of The Dragon, out of the mouth of The Beast, and out of the mouth of The False Prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    Revelation 16:13-14


    Remember that The Beast ascends out of The Bottomless Pit. The Beast is a Fallen Angel that has been kept prisoner, so the demons actually come out of The Dragon/Satan and The Beast who is a Fallen Angel.


    My personal opinion is that Azazel from the Book of Enoch is The Beast that ascends out of The Bottomless Pit.
    Azazel - Here a little, there a little - Spirit Realm
     
  13. Sanoy

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    I decided to look up that verse in an interlinear and saw something I never knew. The word used for unclean, as in unclean spirits, means unclean of mixture. I had no idea it was starring us in the face this whole time.
     
  14. food4thought

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    This has been a profitable exercise for me. After doing a quick word study on demons in the Bible, I see now that demons and unclean spirits are probably the same entities, as both seek to inhabit/possess humans. I used to think unclean spirits were the ones seeking to possess humans, while fallen angels/demons were the false gods that controlled/used these unclean spirits. I am now unsure as to whether the term demon can appropriately be applied to fallen angels. I will be following this thread with interest.

    Thank you all for your thoughts.
     
  15. food4thought

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    I agree, yet I wrestle with the concept of how the fallen angels were able to procreate... did God create angels who would not procreate (Matthew 22:30) with the physical attributes necessary for it? Why?
     
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  17. Andy centek

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    In response the question; where Demons once angels. I give the following.
    Starting at Genesis and then moving onward is presented these scriptures which pertain to the subject at hand.

    Gen 6:1-5 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
    Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Reading the Book of Enoch one sees a discussion of that event and the results of it. There were very strange Beings formed from this. The old Greek stories of half man and half horse has come the mating of these angels with animals, among other things.
    However, there was more than one eruption of these sons of God; the fallen angels if you prefer.
     
  18. Sanoy

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    I have never seen Shedim used in reference to the fallen angels. It seems to only be used in reference to spirits. In every case I am aware of, angels are called generically as mesengers, Elohim, "Son's of God", or watchers. That said, Shedim comes from Shedu which could refer to divine beings like watchers so there could be some flexibility to the word. But for practical purposes the watchers were bound while the unclean spirits roam the earth.

    In one of the few uses of shedim in the OT it mentions them making their appearance relativly recently. Deuteronomy 32:17. From the context of verse 8, which describes the division of nations, we get a time point for the arrival of the Shedim as sometime after the flood.
     
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  19. ewq1938

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    Enoch was dead so they only way Jude knew the prophecy made by Enoch was to read it. Quoting it means he believed the prophecy and if the rest of the book was false, why quote and believe in one prophecy in it? It suggests quite plainly that Jude did accept the book of Enoch. Whether that version is still the version we have today I cannot say.
     
  20. JacksBratt

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    I have no scripture that says that angels cannot. I know that it does say:

    Matthew 22:30 King James Version (KJV)

    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    However, this does not say that they cannot procreate. Or that they lack the parts.


    I do believe that all angels are male.

    The creator did say "let us make man in "our" image. Was the "our" referring to the trinity or all His heavenly creations?

    Anyway, the bible doesn't say that angels cannot. Even when the angels came to save Lot... the towns people wanted to have sex with them. It doesn't say that they couldn't. The reason that Lot doesn't give them to the mob is because they were under his responsibility... "under the shadow of his roof".. they were his guests.

    Genesis 19:8 King James Version (KJV)

    8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

     
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