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Are all things are lawful?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by OpenDoor, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Not Sure

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  1. OpenDoor

    OpenDoor Faith + Hope + Love

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    “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
    1 Corinthians 6:12
     
  2. Noxot

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    I voted no because it is not lawful for me to throw stones at someone but then again I doubt me and paul are talking about the same thing. :eek:

    =( I should have voted for "not sure" I guess :doh:
     
  3. New_Wineskin

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    One would need a good definition of lawful . Since none was given , I used the idea that I am not under a set of religious rules written down by this or that group or person .

    So , I voted "yes" .

    It would have been nice to have the option of "are most things lawful for me " .
     
  4. patience7

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    I voted yes - in the sense that we are not under the law anymore. All things may be lawful for me but all things are not appropriate, advisable, or beneficial for me - that is the distinction.

    lawful - comes from ek - out of, from, by, away from and eimi - to be, to exist, to happen, to be present "it is lawful" - away from the law - to be present from the law - to exist away from the law

    But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:. . . .Galatians 3:11
    Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:. . . Galatians 3:13


    BUT I exercise the ability through Christ not to let what I allow to dominate me - I exercise self control. I am temperate in all things and keep myself in subjection - as Paul said:

    1 Corinthians 9:25-27 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperte in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

    We also need to remember: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1 Co. 6:20)

    Before we do ANYTHING we should question - Will this glorify God? Is the consequence of my decision going to benefit me or harm me (is it expedient?) in my fellowship with God?
     
  5. Frogster

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    The thing is, the lawful phrase, is in quotes, as also in 1 cor 10. I think Paul was actually quoting a mindset or saying, among the Corinthians, whereby they might have been needing some balance, by Paul, hence, his reply in both passages. These are the same people who were eating, while others went hungry, at the table of the Lord, probably thinking it was "freedom".

    1 Cor 10:23 “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build
     
  6. from scratch

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    Yes because Paul isn't stating that murder or adultery is now ok. Context means a lot here.
     
  7. cyberlizard

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    if anyone votes yes - consider this question... is it lawful for me to wilfully commit idolatry or participate directly in pagan practises? Somehow these go directly in the face of the first commandment which was spoken from heaven to Moses by God in the presence of thousands of witnesses and corroborated by the person who we believe to be the ultimate source of authority for all Christian believers.


    Steve


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  8. New_Wineskin

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    Consider it considered and rejected .

    You are only bringing those up because the Law talks about those things . The Law was made for those that *want* to commit idolatry and *want* to participate directly in pagan practices . Those that don't want to do those things don't need the Law - do they ? And , those for whom the Law was made ( those that *want* to do those things ) will not benefit from observing the Law . They are still guilty of idolatry and in participating in pagan practices by their desires .
     
  9. InSpiritInTruth

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    To live in the flesh is to be under the curse of the natural law, and by the natural law of the flesh we were once a slave to sin.

    But when we are born a new by the Spirit of God we are freed from that old fleshy man, and that natural law which did bind us, so that the righteousness of God working in us might fulfill the true spiritual law of Love.

    The Law is spiritual, but man is carnal, sold under sin; that is until the time would come that the Light of the Truth should set him free.
     
  10. cyberlizard

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    sounds a lot like the ancient rabbinic parable about Solomon and the Yod.

    in it, Solomon whilst he was copying the Torah as a king is commanded to do, he inadvertently missed a yod (the smallest Hebrew letter). The passage he was copying was where it says a king should not multiply for himself horses and wives... by dropping the yod, the text read that he should gain more wives and horses.

    the moral of the story... just because you understand the spirit of the law does not give the right to ignore the letter of it.


    Steve

    p.s. following your logic, the teaching of Jesus has little sway as he thought it of significant import as well.
     
  11. Harry3142

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    I voted no, because we are told quite clearly in the New Testament that there are certain behaviors that are not appropriate for any Christian:

    So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

    The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

    A person can 'go through the motions', and still have as his root cause one of the acts of the sinful nature. But it is only when our words and actions have as their impetus the fruit of the Spirit that we can say with confidence that our words and actions truly conform to what God would have of us.
     
  12. Frogster

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    tally ho! :thumbsup:
     
  13. Frogster

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    It is not the ultimate source, faith righteousness is. Sin and death still had reign under law, until the advent of faith and grace, then the dominion of sin ended, and not uder commandment life.


    Rom 5:20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
  14. 98cwitr

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    the verse means: You are capable of anything, but not all actions are good.
     
  15. OpenDoor

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    I agree with this for the first half, but what about the second?

    "...but I will not be enslaved by anything."
     
  16. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    We all are enslaved to something (Romans 6)...either sin or righteousness. The translation is poor.
     
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