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Are all Christian's under a curse for not tithing?

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by iLove, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. iLove

    iLove Newbie

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    Are Christian's who do not make God First with the tenth of their income under a curse. Has that Christian(s) initiated judicial blindness (God sees to it that your spiritual insight gets worse because of your heart hardiness when you reject truth) (Romans 11:7-8).

    (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day (refers to a condition that will not correct itself, but will actually grow worse). Romans 11:8

    For if God spared not the natural branches (Israel),
    take heed lest He also spare not thee. Romans 11:21

    For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. Romans 11:21 NIV

    What test is used in the bible to see if you are in faith?
    Answer...Luke 16:9-13

    Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
    Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.

    In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"
     
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  2. Hall

    Hall God is good

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    I don't think the ones who don't tithe 10% are cursed, however we are blessed when we give with our hearts even when it isn't 10%:

    Deuteronomy 15:10
    Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.

    Proverbs 11:24-25
    There is one who scatters, and yet increases all the more, and there is one who withholds what is justly due, and yet it results only in want. The generous man will be prosperous, and he who waters will himself be watered.

    Proverbs 21:26
    …the righteous gives and does not hold back.

    Proverbs 22:9
    He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor.

    Matthew 6:3-4
    But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

    Luke 6:38
    Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.
     
  3. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    This has always been a hotly debated subject, but I also see nowhere in the NT where Christians are "required" to tithe.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  4. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Simply no.
    Excellent answers above. :rolleyes:
     
  5. woobadooba

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    I recently did a study on this subject, and I have discovered that preachers who say God requires believers to give 10% of their gross income to the church are not being truthful. The Bible does not teach this. Not in the Old Testament, nor in the New Testament.

    Demanding that people give 10% of their gross income to the church is contrary to the following verse: 2 Corinthians 9:7 NKJV "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver."

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for supporting people who labor for God. Yes, give; and give generously!

    But I will not support a pastor who abuses his authority by falsely accusing people of robbing God for not giving 10% of their gross income to the church. It is a dishonest and manipulative teaching.

    This may be helpful:
     
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  6. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    "All Christians?" Since many DO tithe, I find that question a bit presumptive.
     
  7. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    That is true. But that begs the question: "Required" for what exactly?
     
  8. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Required to tithe.

    I though I said that quite clearly.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  9. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    I understood that part; what I was asking was the next level: required to tithe to achieve what end?

    Salvation? Prosperity? Freedom from curses? WHAT???
     
  10. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Tithing won't buy you anything that I know of.

    I was merely pointing out that in the NT, there are no passages that say a person is required to tithe.

    Geez, you've been here (Baptist area long enough to know that we believe no amount of money, no amount work, can purchase "Salvation? Prosperity? Freedom from curses?"

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  11. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    That was what I thought - that you were talking about tithing being salvic - which we agree it most certainly is NOT.

    Now if a believer is ethnically Jewish - then it would be REQUIRED, but NOT for salvation. Rather, it would be a fulfillment of the unique calling/choosing on the Jewish people.

    According to Romans that cannot ever be taken away.

    Romans 11:29
    for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
     
  12. 98cwitr

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    "Furthering the church's mission" would be the answer I got when asking the question.

    Sadly, in some acute cases, that mission has little alignment with God's Will and more on the lining of staff members' pockets.

    If the Church is the people of God (and not a building, denomination, what-have-you), then our "tithe" needs to be on helping others (see Acts 2), and not to furnish a building, utilities, and salaries. My wife is a paid staff member at our church, but I have to realize that people can have worship services in a park, or in a member's home(s).

    Why do we feel the need we need to pay someone to give us the Word?
    Or feel that we need somewhere [else] to go in order to commune and worship together?

    "It's been this way" says a lot, because even Jews of Jesus' time had temples. Those temples were instated as the dwelling place of God and God was the master architect. Now man simply tries to mimic these things and play as if they are as Holy as Solomon's Temple. How many houses does God need? Or is it that we ourselves are temples as Scriptures say?
     
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  13. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Gifts and calling, yes.

    Tithing for Jewish Christians? No.

    The First Apostolic Council meeting was to determine just what, rather, how much of Jewish Law applied to Gentile Christians.

    As far as Jewish Christians were concerned, they agreed that on this applied:

    "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they" -Acts 15:7-11 (KJV)

    I see nothing from the Apostles that required Jewish Christians to keep on tithing. (Or Gentiles for that matter)

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  14. Danthemailman

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    Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant. I even heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back.

    In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

    I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
     
  15. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Nobody here would disagree with you.

    But what you failed to see in the op's first post, is their saying if you don't tithe, your under a curse. And then, they take text out of context.

    I may not agree with Joseph Prince, but I do agree wholeheartedly when he said:

    "When you take text out of context all your left with is a con.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  16. Danthemailman

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    Malachi 3:8 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curseyour whole nation—because you are robbing me. The whole nation of Israel. That's who the Lord is addressing here. Malachi 1:1 - The oracle of the word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi (under the Old Covenant). Not the Church under the New Covenant.
     
  17. woobadooba

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    The interesting thing is even if we were still under the Old Covenant, the people demanding you give 10% of your gross income would still be in the wrong. Tithe was not given in money but in food. So not only are these people guilty of taking Scripture out of context, they have ignored God's rules for tithing and made up their own rules, accusing those who refuse to bow down to their man made system of robbing God. It's a shame that they cannot see their error.
     
  18. sdowney717

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    NO, certainly not what a crazy thought.
    And people are so wrapped up about money, how about 'tithing' your time to help other people by spending time doing good works?

    If you fix some single mothers car who has no money to fix t so she can drive it, that is a good work.
     
  19. Dave-W

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    It could be in money:

    Deut 14.24 If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you, 25 then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses.
     
  20. woobadooba

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    This tithe was converted into money because the distance was too far to travel carrying so many things. When they got to the place where God's name was, they used the money to purchase things to consume for the festival. Notice that they consumed it themselves (v. 26). So technically, it was still given in food. This was not the Levitical tithe but a tithe of another type.

    The tithe to the Levites was always given in food—from the land and from the herds (see Lev. 27:30-32; Mal. 3:10). Not money.
     
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