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Approaching Christ through Mary

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Jonathan95, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. Jonathan95

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    Do Roman Catholics believe one can only approach Christ through Mary, or similar?
     
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  2. Michie

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    No. Some take that path but she is not a requirement for someone to come to Christ.

    I came to Christ as a protestant & Mary was not a consideration for me to do so.
     
  3. Tigg

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    No. There are many ways to Christ. A blade of grass may do it.
     
  4. Ritz

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    I disagree. God brought Jesus to us through her,He could have chosen many other ways. Total consecration. "When we praise her,love her,honour her or give anything to her,it is God who is praised,God who is loved,God who is glorified,and it is to God that we give,through Mary and in Mary"

    Saint Louis De Montfort's True Devotion To Mary..
     
  5. Ritz

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    Its quite sad to see the above posts. Praying Mary Our Mother becomes your Mother on earth as she is our gate to Jesus.
     
  6. Michie

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    Yes but having a devotion to Mary is not required for a relationship to Christ. Millions do.

    As far as De Montfort, that book is not dogma.
     
  7. Michie

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    Many come to Jesus without acknowledging anything other than her assent to God to deliver Him to the World. Every protestant in the world in fact.

    They may not have the full deposit of Faith as Catholics do but they can still know Christ.
     
  8. Michie

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    Ritz... I cannot tell you how offended I am that you chose to leave me a rep telling me how way off I am. The CCC even acknowledges protestant brethren being united albeit imperfectly & can know Christ.

    I knew Christ before I came into the Church. And for you to imply otherwise is way above your pay grade.

    I hold no grudges & I hope to see you around more but you cannot judge another's salvation because they do not devote inordinate amounts of time to Mary.

    The Church does not require it. Are you saying the Church is wrong?
     
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  9. Rhamiel

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    no and yes
    it is not required for there to be any particular devotion to Mary

    but the fact that the Word of God became flesh through Mary means that any relationship we have with Jesus, we have to acknowledge that it was through Mary that He came to us
     
  10. Michie

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    Everyone who accepts Christ accepts that though. There are some that just do not see it in the same way as Catholics do.
     
  11. Tigg

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    Good grief. I have never bad mouthed Mary even when I was not a Catholic. She is the mother of God. I, as a kid, would fight anyone dissing my mom and do believe God might just take offense, don't you think?

    There are many ways to God. I will not try to tie the hands of God by my blindness. I can not as obviously He calls people in all walks of life by many means. And yes, the Catholic Church is the full way. Even Catholics vary in their devotion to Mary - from high to low or whenever type of thing. I will not presume that those who are "on the lower end" are wrong, or anything negatory. God has their salvation and understanding in His hands - and in theirs. Not mine.
     
  12. Michie

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    Exactly. I've never heard a protestant diss Mary. The worst I've hear is that if Mary had said no, God would had chosen another virgin. But that is sais out of ignorance, not meaness.

    Amen sister!
     
  13. eastcoast_bsc

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    Here is the word of God in regards to who is the gate.

     
  14. WisdomTree

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    That is actually quite offensive. I'm on the same boat as Michie, having grown up in a Protestant background where my father is still a Presbyterian clergy. To say that the only way to Christ is through Mary is actually heresy since this actually does elevate the Holy Virgin to the level of God. The late Holy Father John Paul II warned us against such notion in that the Virgin Mary has a place in Christology, but maximalism (as well as minimalism) misguides the faithfuls and only serve to cause confusion.

    It depends on how you look at it. If you look at historical reality and how things came to be, then yes, Mary is the reason we have Christ. Does that mean that Mary was an absolute necessity and that it was through her work that we received our Saviour? No, but God chose to do so, hence why you revere her so since she was blessed to be the bearer of God Incarnate (Theotokos).

    However, if we are talking about faith in terms of one approaching Christ for salvation, then like so many has said, no it is not a necessity for anyone to go through Mary in order to go through Christ in order to get closer to God. It is acknowledged that Christ is the sole mediator for mankind, but his Mother can petition to him on our behalf (which he does listen to because he loves her so), hence the Marian devotions.
     
  15. Jonathan95

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    Well, I probably thought I'd be understood correctly.

    I didn't mean indirectly, but directly. I meant if one has to go through Mary in order to receive salvation from Christ.

    But I also wonder if you do believe that one can/would have to approach Christ through Mary for getting prayers answered answered etc, or do you believe one has free access to Christ if he's in a right standing with God?
     
  16. WisdomTree

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    The answer is a definite no.

    One has free access to Christ even if he's not in good standing so long as he repents.
     
  17. Rhamiel

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    I am sorry if I was not clear
    I understood that you meant directly, I meant that when Catholics use this term, they may be speaking about "directly" or "indirectly"
    I would argue that indirect would be the better way of understanding this
    but both groups might use VERY similar language and it would be difficult to tell them apart, especially if it was written in a time when more flowery language was the norm
     
  18. Rhamiel

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    and for the second part of your question

    yes, we have free access to Christ
    He is our Lord and He loves us so much
    frequent prayer and reading His words in the Bible is greatly encouraged for Catholics
    also, the Mass, the highest form of Worship focuses on prayers to Christ and His sacrifice for us :)

    we can also offer prayers through Mary and the other saints :)
     
  19. WisdomTree

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    I think I'm getting confused here... :confused:
     
  20. Ritz

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    I am not way off Michie. My soul soars in complete dedication. Life is good. I am well taken care of ..graces abound.
     
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