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apollumi: the Word that Tells us What Happens to People in Hell

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Mark Corbett, May 1, 2021.

  1. Hanging by a Thread

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    Whew! That's a relief. You don't offer the best of alternatives but it's a refreshing counter to the posts I often read here purporting that right from the get-go the only thing we "deserve" as humans is eternal damnation.
     
  2. Hanging by a Thread

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    This doesn't directly apply to the topic but I gotta think there are others who- when you really stop and imagine it- find it a bit scary to think of something that never ends (eternity), even if you believe you're going to heaven. It seems strange to me that God would create anyone to be eternally thrown into hell for actions taken in a time frame that amounts to less than a blink of an eye when compared to eternity.
     
  3. Clare73

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    Is that what the JW's believe?
     
  4. Clare73

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    We are all condemned (damned) by the sin of Adam (Romans 5:18).
     
  5. Clare73

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    The gravity of the offense is measured by the one offended.

    All sin is against God who is infinite.
     
  6. Mark Quayle

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    Requirements and intentions are not one and the same. We don't know much about his intentions, but we know enough. We know his requirements.
     
  7. Hanging by a Thread

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    Sheesh, C'mon, Adam!
     
  8. Clare73

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    Your physical body loses its life, but it is not annihilated.

    Your spirit loses its eternal life, but it is not annihilated.

    There is no word in the NT used of "annihilation" of either body, soul or spirit.
    All such words are used to mean "ruin."
     
  9. Mark Corbett

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    The type of annihilationism I believe in is also called conditional immortality or evangelical conditionalism. I do not get my views from JWs and I disagree with them on a number of important issues, including issues that are much more important than the nature of hell.
    JWs believe in a version of annihilaitonism that is different from what I believe. You would need to check with them or with someone who is more of an expert on them to get the details.
    Muslims believe in a version of eternal torment.
    The fact that a cult or false religion believes something in and of itself makes it neither true or false. We must look to the Bible! May God bless you as you study His Word and seek to understand as much of His revealed truth as possible.
     
  10. Hanging by a Thread

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    (respectfully) No, Mark, we don't. The hundreds of threads that are started here prove this (new covenant vs old, deeds vs simply belief in Christ, varoius denominations, etc..) As individuals we may feel we know his requirements, but collectively, no.
     
  11. Clare73

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    Yeah. . .not good news, is it? But that's what the word of God says (Romans 5:18).

    But not to worry. God has provided a remedy (Romans 3:15).
     
  12. Mark Quayle

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    Give an example.
     
  13. Hanging by a Thread

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    I gave you three of them initially in parenthesis.
     
  14. Saint Steven

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    Good points. This used to really drive me crazy until one day it dawned on me that if everything was spelled out exactly it would not require faith to believe it.

    And I question whether God actually wants us to depend solely on the Bible. It has become a replacement (idol) when we should be seeking a face-to-face relationship. Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." (from memory) Are we listening to him, or chasing a book?
     
  15. Mark Quayle

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    'All three views can be supported biblically' isn't the same as 'all three are supported biblically'. The Bible does not disagree with itself, supporting all three. If one is true, the others aren't. But more, if one of those you posit as supported by the Bible is true, WHAT in it is true, seeing as how there are so many opposing views within that one supposed category?

    But my objection has to do with your groupings. I could have made three: Particular Redemption, Annihilationism, Universalism. Yet every Universalist I've encountered has a different mantra and claim as to how that is so. One of them even thinks Universalism and Annihilationism can both be true.
     
  16. Mark Quayle

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    This?? You said: "(new covenant vs old, deeds vs simply belief in Christ, varoius denominations, etc..)"

    I'm asking for an example of something that God requires that we don't know about.
     
  17. Saint Steven

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    Really? Are we saved by grace, or works?
     
  18. Saint Steven

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    Okay, how about if we agree that Ultimate Redemption is true and the others are false? Does that help?
     
  19. Saint Steven

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    Oh, I get it. This is a PR stunt. - lol
     
  20. Mark Quayle

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    Don't be cryptic. Make your point.
     
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