AOC says Trump is running "concentration camps"

[WherevertheWindblows]

We are not a monolith. Many Jews I know agree with the statement, others do not. Though when people draw a distinction between a death camp and a concentration camp, that changes things.

Jews were presented as one as if they all spoke the same thing concerning it which is why I presented another opinion (by the same) which spoke contrary to what was presented.

In AOC's words, in respects to "Never again" meaning something"
Those words (in the context of concentration camps) are associated with which people?

And again in AOC's words, in the same context she refers to the administration as "fascist" and specifically says "I use that word because that is what an an administration that "creates concentration camps" is.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

 

[LoAmmi]

"BUT THEY DID IT TOO!" didn't work when I was 7, it shouldn't work for a man in his 70s.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

"BUT THEY DID IT TOO!" didn't work when I was 7, it shouldn't work for a man in his 70s.

What are you talking about?

 

[LoAmmi]

What are you talking about?

I just see the argument that it happened previously, in 2014 in this case, as a means to justify something happening now. It is not an excuse, as we all know.

 

[rambot]

So, I stand corrected. Earlier in this thread I said I didn't appreciate the use of the term to define what is happenning.
Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what I appreciate, feel uncomfortable with, or don't like. According to the definition of the word, these camps 100% ARE concentration camps. I mean, that is certainly a loaded term, but that emotional load is put on by people using and hearing it; it is not part of the definition.

Leaving aside the question of whether that asinine poem belongs there, I should hope that you understand the difference between poetry and public policy. That has no resemblance to a rational argument; it’s pure sentimentality.

It wasn't assinine for the first couple hundred years of American immigration. But I imagine the whiteness and Europeanness of most of those immigrants was probably enough to "whitewash" all concern. There were plenty of immigrant losers (as described by the statue of libery) throughout the 1900s. But perhaps SolidierOfTheKing figures that since they were Italians and the Irish, they were builders.

So, cry me a river. If they don't like it, they can go home. That's where they belong anyway.

I would LOVE to hear even a single instruction in the Bible that advocates this position. I'm not talking about POLICY, I'm talking about the attitude that is in your HEART.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

I just see the argument that it happened previously, in 2014 in this case, as a means to justify something happening now. It is not an excuse, as we all know.

No it isn't, these were simply used as a swipe against Trump never heard a peep till he became president. Now its all Trump's a fascist and comparisons to Hitler and the media hyperventilating daily and "The JEWS say YES" too (when that is obviously not the case) and arguments over the WORD concentration camps (which was dropped purposefully) along with the words NEVER AGAIN (which is directly something pulled from the time pertaining to the Holocaust of the Jews and the blame set at Trump's feet for camps that were used prior.

And again in AOC's words, in the same context she refers to the administration as "fascist" specifically saying "I use that word because that is what an an administration that "creates concentration camps" is.

So she walks it back on an interview concerning them being Nazi (which was fascist) but called it that and went on about "Never again" in the same context (which are sediments/ and impressions she intended to leave with people which she knows are commonly associated with such a time pertaining to the death of the Jews.

 

[rambot]

No it isn't, these were simply used as a swipe against Trump never heard a peep till he became president. Now its all Trump's a fascist and comparisons to Hitler and the media hyperventilating daily and "The JEWS say YES" too (when that is obviously not the case) and arguments over the WORD concentration camps (which was dropped purposefully) along with the words NEVER AGAIN (which is directly something pulled from the time pertaining to the Holocaust of the Jews and the blame set at Trump's feet for camps that were used prior.

And again in AOC's words, in the same context she refers to the administration as "fascist" specifically saying "I use that word because that is what an an administration that "creates concentration camps" is.

So she walks it back on an interview concerning them being Nazi (which was fascist) but called it that and went on about "Never again" in the same context (which are sediments/ and impressions she intended to leave with people which she knows are commonly associated with such a time pertaining to the death of the Jews.

Which other concentration camps throughout history do you feel were justified and appropriately executed (no pun intended)?

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Which other concentration camps throughout history do you feel were justified and appropriately executed (no pun intended)?

What makes you think I would justify them outside of a temporary shelter from the elements in crisis or emergency type of situations? If I were an American homeless person I think I would prefer the same over the tents we see lined up to be honest.

 

[rambot]

What makes you think I would justify them outside of a temporary shelter from the elements in crisis or emergency type of situations? If I were an American homeless person I think I would prefer the same over the tents we see lined up to be honest.

Well, you seem very comfortable with this one so I'm curious.

And I don't think you would. Most homeless people are big fans of their freedom. Like, huge.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Well, you seem very comfortable with this one so I'm curious.

And I don't think you would. Most homeless people are big fans of their freedom. Like, huge.

I do not believe they are prisoners, and I wouldn't feel like one. I'm not crazy about being rained on or critters or peeing and pooping on the side walk, and I would have no use for free hyperdermic needles they are passing out since I don't use drugs. But as you indicate most homeless are big fans of that kind of freedom also.

Some do call freedom what is actually enslavement to corruption anyway. They even provide places to freely inject themselves (safely). Its all so kind.

 

[LoAmmi]

No it isn't, these were simply used as a swipe against Trump never heard a peep till he became president. Now its all Trump's a fascist and comparisons to Hitler and the media hyperventilating daily and "The JEWS say YES" too (when that is obviously not the case) and arguments over the WORD concentration camps (which was dropped purposefully) along with the words NEVER AGAIN (which is directly something pulled from the time pertaining to the Holocaust of the Jews and the blame set at Trump's feet for camps that were used prior.

Firstly, there are Jewish groups that have said yes. People should be specific and name those groups. Keep in mind that the camps during Hitler's reign didn't start as a way to kill. That happened later. I think it is perfectly fine to raise alarm whistles when people are being held in camps and we see children die and a callous attitude is shown by those who have the power to do something. Blaming the parents is unacceptable. These people have the power and they are refusing to make the necessary changes to prevent it.

However, if you want a good link for Jews saying it isn't, here you go: https://jewishjournal.com/news/nati...-camp-remarks-insult-to-victims-of-the-shoah/

That's a pretty important organization saying it was wrong.

And again in AOC's words, in the same context she refers to the administration as "fascist" specifically saying "I use that word because that is what an an administration that "creates concentration camps" is.

So she walks it back on an interview concerning them being Nazi (which was fascist) but called it that and went on about "Never again" in the same context (which are sediments/ and impressions she intended to leave with people which she knows are commonly associated with such a time pertaining to the death of the Jews.

I think Trump is very open to facism if it suits him and that his followers are open to it if it suits them. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Firstly, there are Jewish groups that have said yes. People should be specific and name those groups. Keep in mind that the camps during Hitler's reign didn't start as a way to kill. That happened later.

Sure, one would need to weasel their way in when trying to subvert a people for its own gain. Sounds like what the socialist dictator would do on a more National versus Globalist scale (in that particular case). Targeting a people, both the people and that citizenry's property. And eventually with such hatred unchecked hauled those who they hated to such places.

They had something they wanted, stealing their property and their wealth and redistributed did they not? I mean why waste such efforts on the poor (if they have nothing you want?) And it can also sounds like a nice idea and justified after they have been sufficiently demonized with a ministry of propaganda lies. There will always be useful idiots I suppose. They had something the wanted from the Jews too (since most were wealthy). Free stuff, no?

I think it is perfectly fine to raise alarm whistles when people are being held in camps and we see children die and a callous attitude is shown by those who have the power to do something.

No one is happy about children being victims of sickening politics even when the alarm whistles have been sounding for quite some time. Trump called it a crisis while the media down played any sense of one until they could do so no more. And then when they started bringing it up made Trump the one responsible for it as usual.

I think Trump is very open to fascism if it suits him and that his followers are open to it if it suits them. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion on what his thoughts are for sure, and lets see in the end which posts age well and which do not, I am willing to wait and see.

 

[rambot]

I do not believe they are prisoners, and I wouldn't feel like one. I'm not crazy about being rained on or critters or peeing and pooping on the side walk, and I would have no use for free hyperdermic needles they are passing out since I don't use drugs. But as you indicate most homeless are big fans of that kind of freedom also.

To be fair though, you have ABSOLUTELY no idea how you would feel in that scenario. I mean, we can all take guesses about it but until you're confronted with it, it's hard to guess. The same is true with almost every traumatic experience. You don't know how you'll react to a gunman until it happens, I'd think.
They're fans of the freedom of being able to go ANYWHERE they please. Of being able to get different kinds of food. Of not having to follow orders; of being controlled or limited in where they go; of being kept in an area that is at 900% capacity. Hypodermic needles are not "freedom". They are social supports.
Freedom is their ability to move, consume (as best as they are able) and interact with the public. Their ability to live on their own schedule.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

To be fair though, you have ABSOLUTELY no idea how you would feel in that scenario.

Sure, I haven't had to live in a tent and poop on the street and I haven't had to live in a warehouse type of scenario where I did not have to poop on the street. If ever given the option (without having ever been in either situation and I was a beggar needing to chose) I would opt for the later. However, if I ended up not preferring that I would have to opt for the tent on the street (since that option would be open to me too) whereas the other might not be because of limitations in size. But I would prefer the security (whereas on the street you are on your own) in fact many homeless do not like homeless shelters because they have experienced theft or harm because there was no security.

I mean, we can all take guesses about it but until you're confronted with it, it's hard to guess.

Sure, you can only make the best guess you can, and if you guess wrong (opting for the over crowded concrete shelter with meals and bathrooms) you at least could opt for the streets (without meals and bathrooms). Now, I have a bad back and so squatting to go to the bathroom anywhere would not just be difficult but impossible for me and so I know I would not prefer that so my choice (confronted with that) remains the same.

The same is true with almost every traumatic experience. You don't know how you'll react to a gunman until it happens, I'd think.

Reacting to a shelter against the elements and some sort of violence against yourself isn't really apples with apples.

They're fans of the freedom of being able to go ANYWHERE they please. Of being able to get different kinds of food. Of not having to follow orders; of being controlled or limited in where they go; of being kept in an area that is at 900% capacity.

People who break the law and are in prison are fans of freedom to go wherever they please and would likely prefer better food, but I think not following the law actually got them into where they are most often than not and sometimes when lawlessness abounds the prisons can also be stretched beyond capacity and that becomes problematic also. But I don't believe illegal immigrants have been kept as prisoners and are free to leave, to even chose to return to their home countries or another's.

Hypodermic needles are not "freedom". They are social supports.

They are free to do drugs, the free needles support it. And sure, we can see all that supposed social support all over the streets (how thankful we should be).

Freedom is their ability to move, consume (as best as they are able) and interact with the public. Their ability to live on their own schedule.

There are surely better on line definitions, this one is rather weak but I see what you are trying to do.

 

[Ringo84]

Leaving aside the question of whether that asinine poem belongs there, I should hope that you understand the difference between poetry and public policy. That has no resemblance to a rational argument; it’s pure sentimentality.

So, cry me a river. If they don't like it, they can go home. That's where they belong anyway.



Who's "we"? Funny that coming from someone who fancies himself a "separation of church and state expert". Apparently it's only an infringement on separation of church and state when theological arguments are presented in favor of policies you don't like.

“Asinine poem”. I just love it when self-professed super patriots tell in themselves like this.

As long as the government is hurting those people, you live it. But when it comes to what actually makes America great - our

Sure, I haven't had to live in a tent and poop on the street and I haven't had to live in a warehouse type of scenario where I did not have to poop on the street. If ever given the option (without having ever been in either situation and I was a beggar needing to chose) I would opt for the later. However, if I ended up not preferring that I would have to opt for the tent on the street (since that option would be open to me too) whereas the other might not be because of limitations in size. But I would prefer the security (whereas on the street you are on your own) in fact many homeless do not like homeless shelters because they have experienced theft or harm because there was no security.



Sure, you can only make the best guess you can, and if you guess wrong (opting for the over crowded concrete shelter with meals and bathrooms) you at least could opt for the streets (without meals and bathrooms). Now, I have a bad back and so squatting to go to the bathroom anywhere would not just be difficult but impossible for me and so I know I would not prefer that so my choice (confronted with that) remains the same.



Reacting to a shelter against the elements and some sort of violence against yourself isn't really apples with apples.



People who break the law and are in prison are fans of freedom to go wherever they please and would likely prefer better food, but I think not following the law actually got them into where they are most often than not and sometimes when lawlessness abounds the prisons can also be stretched beyond capacity and that becomes problematic also. But I don't believe illegal immigrants have been kept as prisoners and are free to leave, to even chose to return to their home countries or another's.



They are free to do drugs, the free needles support it. And sure, we can see all that supposed social support all over the streets (how thankful we should be).



There are surely better on line definitions, this one is rather weak but I see what you are trying to do.

what you “believe” is irrelevant. What’s happening is that we are, in fact, keeping children as prisoners. They are _not_ “free to go”.

You may be able to rationalize and justify and excuse death camps. I’m not because I believe what the Bible says when it instructs us to be kind to what it calls “aliens” in our midst. Many of those verses are in my signature; you should acquaint yourself with them.
Ringo

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

You may be able to rationalize and justify and excuse death camps.

And here we go with the death camps again, how predictable.

 

[Ringo84]

You're more worried about my (accurate) term for what's happening than actually stopping it. Funny how that is...
Ringo

 

[LoAmmi]

Sure, one would need to weasel their way in when trying to subvert a people for its own gain. Sounds like what the socialist dictator would do on a more National versus Globalist scale (in that particular case). Targeting a people, both the people and that citizenry's property. And eventually with such hatred unchecked hauled those who they hated to such places.

They had something they wanted, stealing their property and their wealth and redistributed did they not? I mean why waste such efforts on the poor (if they have nothing you want?) And it can also sounds like a nice idea and justified after they have been sufficiently demonized with a ministry of propaganda lies. There will always be useful idiots I suppose. They had something the wanted from the Jews too (since most were wealthy). Free stuff, no?

I think you need a more robust education in the history of Nazism and which people were targeted. Most Jews in Germany were not wealthy. Let's just start there. Nazis did not target Jews because they wanted to take and redistribute wealth. Hitler was not going for socialist goals; in fact he wrote ill of socialism. He didn't like it, he thought it was a Jewish conspiracy to harm white Germans. White German businessmen did very well under Nazi Germany.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

You're more worried about my (accurate) term for what's happening than actually stopping it. Funny how that is...
Ringo

If thats what you want to tell yourself go right ahead.