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Antichrist comes out from the church

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Servant78, Mar 21, 2022.

  1. Servant78

    Servant78 Well-Known Member

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    Zechariah 11:16-17 says antichrist shall lead Israel and he is called a shepherd and he had a flock ! The word shepherd and flock are used (not a politician or king) showing that he came out from the church.

    Revelation 13:3
    He will receive a deadly wound probably by intelligence agency that refused his leadership, a murder plot like happened to JFK will destroy one of his eyes and he will become a one eye leader where his wound shall be healed and the world is Amazed.
     
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  2. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The person has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
     
  3. Servant78

    Servant78 Well-Known Member

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  4. ewq1938

    ewq1938 I'm finna mispell gonna. Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    The wound is done to an area of land through a war. A person isn't being represented there. It's like when Japan got nuked, that was a deadly wound to it but over time it healed.

    The antichrist does not get wounded during his reign so no healing needed nor any death and resurrection as some believe.
     
  5. ewq1938

    ewq1938 I'm finna mispell gonna. Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    No. Christ isn't talking specifically about the end times antichrist but human behavior in general that they accept people who do not come in God's name.

    The antichrist will not even respect the God of his fathers so if he is Jewish, he won't promote Judaism.

    Dan_11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
     
  6. HTacianas

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    Nero Redivivus legend - Wikipedia
     
  7. myst33

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    It was Nero (or somebody else in the 1st century), because the book of Revelation said it had to happen soon.
     
  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The person who becomes the Antichrist does so in a sequence.

    little horn > becomes the prince who shall come following Gog/Magog > becomes the Antichrist, phony King of Israel, and initiates the 7 years > becomes the revealed man of sin about three years later > becomes the beast, dictator of the EU and world.

    Daniel 11:37 is after he has become the beast, claiming to be God.

    When the person becomes the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name - about 3 years later is when he reveals himself to be the man of sin and not the Jewish messiah after all. That will end his time as being the Antichrist, phony King of Israel.
     
  9. ewq1938

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    Soon to God is a long time for us. The final Revelation 13 antichrist did not appear in the 1st century. We are still waiting for him.
     
  10. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The revealed man of sin will be assassinated. Ezekiel 28:1-10.
     
  11. myst33

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    Not soon for God, but soon for the readers.
     
  12. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The time is close at hand. It could be Zelensky, or maybe someone else.
    But it is not far away because Russia has made the first move toward what will end up as the Gog/Magog event.

    Things are moving fast, and the sanctions on Russia, and Putin's resolve to get his way is not going to last long, imo, before something big happens - like Ukraine being split into two nations.

    It appears to me that Putin is Gog, and that Zelensky could possibly be the little horn, not for certain at this point in time.
     
  13. myst33

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    Another yet to fail prediction?

    If you gave me a dollar for any post of futurist prediction that will not happen....
     
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  14. ewq1938

    ewq1938 I'm finna mispell gonna. Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    Almost none of Revelation has happened yet so not soon for the readers.
     
  15. myst33

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    The nature of Revelation (symbolism and metaphores) confuses you, because you are searching for its literal fulfilment in history, which is, indeed hard.

    The timeframe can not be symbolic, though, it was a dire warning for the first church and God does not lie.
     
  16. Servant78

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    Shalom ewq, i see you quoted the verse of Daniel 11, but here i give a very good link about Daniel 11 already happened in history.
    Daniel 11 - Prophecy Fulfilled! - Here a little, there a little - Prophecy
     
  17. Original Happy Camper

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    Daniel's dream describes a little horn that arises from among the ten horns of the fourth terrible beast. The little horn power represents the Antichrist and is described in Daniel's dream with great detail so that we can clearly identify who this end-time enemy will be. Since we don't want to make any mistake, it is essential that we correctly identify this power.

    Daniel 7 gives us very precise identifying features of the horn, and every single one must apply in order to make an accurate identification possible. The 13 features are as follows:

    1. It arose out of the fourth beast.
    2. It came up among the ten horns.
    3. It came up after the ten horns had been established.
    4. It was to uproot three horns.
    5. It was to be greater than the others.
    6. It was to be different than the others.
    7. It was to have eyes like the eyes of a man and speak great words against God.
    8. It was to make war on God's saints.
    9. It would think to change times and laws.
    10.The saints were to be handed over to it for a time and times and half a time.
    11. It shall devour the whole earth.
    12. It shall reign until the Ancient of Days comes.
    13. Its dominion will be taken away.

    The Antichrist power has to fulfill all of the characteristics given in the Bible. It cannot meet only some of them.

    Identifying the Antichrist | Prophecy of Daniel | Religious and Political System
     
  18. Sorn

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    Without going nuclear, Russia doesn't have a hope of fighting any other nation and winning currently. It has its hands full with Ukraine and all other nations around it that are not Russia aligned are arming up.

    Putin is basically an old man and maybe has 5 good year left in him, 10 if he is very lucky. For Russia to be Gog and go and make war against Israel, it would need the next 30 year to prepare and the nations around it would need to weaken considerably. Who knows, maybe it is but thats like 30 to 50 years in the future at this point.
     
  19. JulieB67

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    He has a flock, it's most of the world at that point. They will be worshipping him as savior but he will be a fake. Even many Christians will worship him believing he is Christ. That's what the "falling away" is because unsaved people don't have anything to fall away from (faith, the truth) They will be like the foolish virgins.

    Paul states this is why we have to have the full armour on and in place, -to be able to fight the wiles of the devil and to be able to stand in that "evil day".




    The key to understanding the timeframe to Revelation is this verse,

    Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

    As I said on another thread, this is not some day of the week like Sat/Sun. John and others always said first day of the week or so on. We are talking about the Lord's day which is the day of the Lord. It's the same day. He's obviously just heard the 7th trumpet. He sees Christ. He's then told to write about the past/present/future of that timeframe -the Lord's day. That's man's tradition that glosses over this as a day of the week, it's not the Bible text. The Lord's day is another way of saying Day of Christ, Day of the Lord, etc. It's always been about one day.

    And we have one bible, one Revelation given to us by Christ. We don't have a bible for every generation. The events will unfold for one. That's why we watch. We don't fret as some like to think, at least I don't. I watch as we are told to do so I can be ready if it happens in my lifetime. As many others did in their lifetime. Nothing wrong with that. Some act like it's a waste of time to keep watch but it's part of being a Christian seeing how it's Christ that told us to keep watch so that "day" doesn't overtake us a a thief.

    Christ says he comes quickly- would you call that symbolic? Obviously he hasn't returned so we have to remember we are on God's time, not our own

    He calls the last time scoffers ignorant because they don't realize that earth is of "old". So 2000 yrs is about 2 days to our Father.
     
  20. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    The beast and the false prophet are not the same but the man of sin I do believe will have been a Christian until the day he exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshiped so that he sits as God in the Tabernacle of God (the Church) showing himself to be God.
     
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