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So which five of the 10 kings are meaning the five wise virgins? Which five of the 10 kings are meaning the five foolish virgins?


Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

This text indicates all 10 kings shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them. So I guess that means, not only do you have the five foolish virgins making war with the Lamb, you also have the five wise virgins making war with the Lamb.


Yes... ALL of the "ten virgins" followed the Anti-Christ during
the FIRST WOE of the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.

And... ALL of the ten "kings/horns" followed the Anti-Christ
during the FIRST WOE of the Great Tribulation/Rev Beast

The "ten virgins" were not SEPARATED until the END of the
FIRST WOE and BEGINNING of the SECOND WOE.

HERE IS THE SEPARATION of the "wise virgins"
from the "foolish virgins"


Mat 25:8-13
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10-13
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

And HERE is the separation shown AGAIN:

WISE VIRGINS
Rev 9:15-19
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.


FOOLISH VIRGINS
Rev 9:20-21
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


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So the point is dictating a meaning above the literal text? I am assuming the logic indicates that there were never 12 disciples applies? They in like number were just the 12 tribes of Israel?

If DavidPT understood what I was talking about, why can't you?
 
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In Revelation 1:20 Christ reveals the candlesticks are a symbol of the churches.
In Romans 11 the Apostle Paul uses the two Olive Trees as a symbol of the New
Covenant Church.
Therefore, the two witnesses are a symbol of the Church.

Who do you think attacks the people of God in Revelation chapter 11?

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Thanks for your comment on the Olive Trees and the two witnesses. This is helpful.

However, if this is an attack on the Christian Church throughout the world, it can't be localized in Jerusalem.

On who attacks the two witnesses, Revelation says that they are attacked by a mob. That doesn't tell us much.
 
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Thanks for your comment on the Olive Trees and the two witnesses. This is helpful.

However, if this is an attack on the Christian Church throughout the world, it can't be localized in Jerusalem.

On who attacks the two witnesses, Revelation says that they are attacked by a mob. That doesn't tell us much.

There are two Jerusalems found in the Book of Revelation, and these two symbolize the whole world.

One is found in Revelation 11:8, and the other is found in Revelation 3:12.


These two cities are opposites.

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Almost all Bible scholars would say the Book of James is addressed to the Church...

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So you believe the twelve tribes are not the Church. Hmm.
Im guessing you believe the twelve apostles are not the church also.
 
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The twelve tribes scattered abroad.
That was a tough question. Anymore like that an I'm going to have to take a vacation.

I understand, but please take that study with you and read. It will help you why it is eye-opening to me when I was like you in the past.
 
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So you believe the twelve tribes are not the Church. Hmm.
Im guessing you believe the twelve apostles are not the church also.


Please do not tell others what we believe, since you are having problems getting it right...


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Please do not tell others what we believe, since you are having problems getting it right...


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I'm not having problems. You simply can't understand English.
James wrote a letter to the twelve tribes scattered abroad. He addressed it that way. If he want to write to the seven churches in Asia minor he would have addressed the letter to them.

But since you take the liberty to change his words what will you change the 7 churches too?
 
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Who was James talking to in the passage below?
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
He was writing to the recipient of the letter, ie, if they ever got the letter.

He was talking to everyone in history who read those words.
 
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If DavidPT understood what I was talking about, why can't you?
If you can arbitrate interpretation, why can't I? You are avoiding the facts for your own insight. Is that wise? If the 144K are all who you claim, then the 12 are all of the OT elect. It is a rather simple understanding to me.
 
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Thanks for your comment on the Olive Trees and the two witnesses. This is helpful.

However, if this is an attack on the Christian Church throughout the world, it can't be localized in Jerusalem.

On who attacks the two witnesses, Revelation says that they are attacked by a mob. That doesn't tell us much.
It seems to break down when the whole of the church lies dead on the streets of Jerusalem unburied.
 
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In EACH case they are the People living on earth when
the Lord Returns... indicating they are the SAME PEOPLE
This is not difficult if you care to READ the Scriptures provided.

The ten horns do not represent "the people" as an en masse generalization. They represent rulers that rule with the beast during the great Tribulation. The virgins also represent believers not "the people."
 
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If you can arbitrate interpretation, why can't I? You are avoiding the facts for your own insight. Is that wise? If the 144K are all who you claim, then the 12 are all of the OT elect. It is a rather simple understanding to me.

It seems foolish to you because you are natural. If you have the understanding with carnal mind, you will not see the Truth. You need to read Revelation 21 again and again and again on how John was told by God to MEASURE the city. The 12 of OT Elect and 12 of NT Elect has merged into one Holy City as 144? Hello? This is a great multitude in which the 144,000 symbolically referred to as a Holy City!

This may seem foolish to you, but As I said, it is spiritually discerned. Natual man will not understand.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 KJV
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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I'm not having problems. You simply can't understand English.
James wrote a letter to the twelve tribes scattered abroad. He addressed it that way. If he want to write to the seven churches in Asia minor he would have addressed the letter to them.

But since you take the liberty to change his words what will you change the 7 churches too?

Why did Peter address the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Why did Paul still consider himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1-5? Who is the "remnant" in Romans 11:5?


Your attempts to separate faithful Israel from the Church fall apart in these passages, along with James 1:1-3.


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The ten horns do not represent "the people" as an en masse generalization. They represent rulers that rule with the beast during the great Tribulation. The virgins also represent believers not "the people."

LOL... that is hilarious.

The "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13] are living on earth
when the Lord Returns.

The ten "kings/horns" [Dan 7] are living on earth
when the Lord Returns.

The ten "kings/horns" [Rev 17] are living on earth
when the Lord Returns

The ten "kings" [Dan 2:44] are living on earth when
the Lord Returns

(1) So there can be NO QUESTION that these all
the SAME PEOPLE.


(2) And NO they do not "rule with the Beast" during
the Great Tribulation... in fact the OPPOSITE is true.
They GIVE THEIR KINGDOM TO THE BEAST.

(3) Is this "news" to you?



Rev 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet; [during the church age]
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have
one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will,
and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Please RESPOND to this Biblical Fact instead of running away
and hiding from your mistake.


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Who do you think attacks the people of God in Revelation chapter 11?
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The answer is that Satan (loosened from the Pit in Rev 9)
attacks the church THROUGH his chief emissary on earth
(since Satan is a spirit) which is a MAN called the "Little Horn"
in Daniel and the "False Prophet" or the "Beast" in Revelation
and the "Man of Sin" in 2 Thess.. but this MAN is commonly
called THE Anti-Christ.

Of course, to understand this Biblical Truth we first need to
understand that the PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast
are the SAME PEOPLE as those living in Daniel's Fourth Beast
and the SAME PEOPLE as those living in the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] and the SAME PEOPLE as
the "ten virgins" and the SAME PEOPLE as the ten "kings"
of Daniel 2:44.... and we know this ABSOLUTELY because
(in each case) they are the PEOPLE living on earth when
the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".

Did I pass the test?
Please respond and not run away and hide as SO MANY
on this forum do every time they are corrected.
Not that I corrected you... just saying.

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The "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13] are living on earth
when the Lord Returns.

The ten "kings/horns" [Dan 7] are living on earth
when the Lord Returns.

All soccer players are human but not all humans are soccer players
 
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All soccer players are human but not all humans are soccer players


Tell me...

Are the ten "virgins" the people living on earth when the
Lord Returns... read Matthew 25:1-13

You can do the same for the ten "horns/kings" of Dan 7
and the ten "horns/kings" of Rev 17 and the ten "kings"
of Daniel 2:44.

But you are getting close to MOCKING GOD when you
try to DENY HIS WORD with a stupid comment about
soccer players.

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