Anti-Christ Location and Mystery Babylon?

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, go to google image search. Type in - Babylon empire - do a search, notice what you see. Then type in - Medo-Persian empire - do a search, notice what you see. Repeat for the Greek empire, and the Roman Empire.

What you will see is maps of the territories each of those empires controlled.

The beasts coming out of the sea in Daniel 7, came out one, then followed by another. Four empires following each other.

In Revelation 13, the beast coming out of the sea is not preceded by any other empires - but has a body made of the three historic empires.

Hi Douggg,

Who is being destroyed here, Douggg?

`I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.` (Dan. 7: 11)

And who are these kingdoms?

`As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.` (Dan. 7: 12)

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Who is being destroyed here, Douggg?

`I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.` (Dan. 7: 11)

That will be the EU (whatever the final form of it is called). It will be dissolved as an entity (not the countries making it up), a union, which will feature the ten kings, and their leader.

And who are these kingdoms?

`As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.` (Dan. 7: 12)

Again go to the maps. The territories. The individual nations existing at the time of Jesus' return will be allowed to continue till the end of the 1000 years. Nation's like Egypt.
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Marilyn, have you been watching the videos on you tube about South Africa and what is going on over there? There is a general movement going on in Africa to unite - to be a United States of Africa. The movement has at it's roots hate of europeans and the white man, by many Africans flamed for political reasons. Anyway, the uniting of the Africa nations seems to be forming as the king of the south, imo.

 

[Marilyn C]

That will be the EU (whatever the final form of it is called). It will be dissolved as an entity (not the countries making it up), a union, which will feature the ten kings, and their leader.


Again go to the maps. The territories. The individual nations existing at the time of Jesus' return will be allowed to continue till the end of the 1000 years. Nation's like Egypt.
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Marilyn, have you been watching the videos on you tube about South Africa and what is going on over there? There is a general movement going on in Africa to unite - to be a United States of Africa. The movement has at it's roots hate of europeans and the white man, by many Africans flamed for political reasons. Anyway, the uniting of the Africa nations seems to be forming as the king of the south, imo.

Hi Douggg,


I haven`t seen the videos but have heard about turmoil. Very difficult for Europeans there. Now I don`t see the whole of Africa as the territory of the King of the South as per scripture - the legacy of Alexander the Great, the Ptolomaic Dynasty. The southern part of the Greek Empire is Egypt & Libya.

Now I`m trying to understand your view. Thus I will ask you some questions, ok?

You say the EU (& USA & Canada) are the controlling powers.

`The beast empire in Revelation 13 is not a global government. It will be the dominant power over the rest of the world, but it will represent Europe (and the West, the United States and Canada). Controlling the global economy and the oil in the Middle East.`

Then you say that the 3 beasts represent the territories of the historic empires.

`It is saying that with 42 months left in the seven years, the end times fourth empire will have gained control of the territories (remember the maps?) of the three historic empires.`

So putting that altogether we have -

EU & US and Canada, controlling - Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Israel, & Greece.

Where do you get the US & Canada from scripture?

Now those territories you say, the EU (& USA & Canada) are controlling are very poor countries (except for Israel).

What about the British Commonwealth, the Russian Federation, China and the Asian countries, South America & South Africa?

`...he was given authority over every tribe, tongue and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the book of life...` (Rev. 13: 7 & 8)

Seems to me there is more being controlled than those `poor` countries.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Marilyn, as the prelude to Jesus's destruction of those nations' armies which will converge on Jerusalem as their strategy to make war on Jesus is in Zechariah 14. That's where I get all nations.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So that is all nations, which have any kind of military to do so. That would include the United States and Canada at that time. Russia, China, Japan, Korea.... all nations.

That is the finishing point of the 7 years.

Just before the finishing point, in Daniel 11:40-45 all nations are drawn into the middle east to fight against the King of the West (the beast). King of the West is implied. First being attacked by the King of the South (the African nations). Then when the King of the North (Russia and allies) sees what is going on, he attacks the King of the West from the north. Then the Kings of the East (China and allies) decide to attack the King of the West.

Why would they be doing such a thing against the beast and his kingdom - the EU, allied with the western nations? The beast will be operating out of Jerusalem and the middle east occupied by the EU, allied with the United States and Canada. The bible doesn't say directly.

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My guess is that world's belief that the beast is God, strong at the beginning of the 42 months, will wane as the judgments of God in the trumpets and the bowls of wrath are poured out on the earth - and the beast is unable to stop those.

The other reason is that as those judgments take place, the natural resources like water, food (animals and crops) become scarce - and the oil necessary for societies to function as well; which the beast and the ten kings will be funneling to the West and the beast's EU kingdom. At the expense of the rest of the world.

So that the other parts of the world will have no choice but to attack the beast.
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Then you say that the 3 beasts represent the territories of the historic empires.

`It is saying that with 42 months left in the seven years, the end times fourth empire will have gained control of the territories (remember the maps?) of the three historic empires.`

There is one beast kingdom in Revelation 13. It's composite makeup represents that it has control of the territories once held by Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greeks - basically the middle east and it's oil.

The oil is the critical factor that will be an incentive for Europe to rush into the decimated middle east countries following Gog/Magog. Right before the 7 years begin.
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Now those territories you say, the EU (& USA & Canada) are controlling are very poor countries (except for Israel).

What about the British Commonwealth, the Russian Federation, China and the Asian countries, South America & South Africa?

`...he was given authority over every tribe, tongue and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the book of life...` (Rev. 13: 7 & 8)

Seems to me there is more being controlled than those `poor` countries.

Marilyn, all persons, rich or poor, great and small will be required to take the mark of his name, the number of his name, or his name - to buy or sell. The whole world, except the saints, will worship the beast.

The middle east is just one part of the world. Following Gog/Magog, the middle east will be occupied and controlled by the EU (and it's western allies).

The world during the last 7 years (and is heading that way now) will align itself by natural tendency into four regional global powers - by tradition and cultural ties.

The West together, the African nations together, Russia and its bordering nations together, China and the Asian nations together.

Of those four powers - the West will be the most powerful, militarily and technologically, to impose it's will on the other three regional global powers. The West will control the global money system in that last forty two months, and more or less does now.
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Marilyn, go to you tube when you get some time, and watch some videos of Julius Malema, especially of the ones with him speaking in their parliament, to give an insight of what is going on over there.

In South Africa, there is a movement to take land away from white farmers, without compensation on top of that and give it to non-whites. And flaming hatred against whites by persons like Malema. This same thing happened in Rhodesia (name changed to Zimbabwe) by Robert Mugabei which turned out to be a disaster. I don't know if Malema will be the king of the south (united Africa), who Malema wants a United States of Africa, but it could be someone like him. Adolph Hitler started off the same way.

Just look at how China, Europe and the United States, Russia, Africa, each region bonding together with itself.
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When you see these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption draws near.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, .....

Just before the finishing point, in Daniel 11:40-45 all nations are drawn into the middle east to fight against the King of the West (the beast). King of the West is implied. First being attacked by the King of the South (the African nations). Then when the King of the North (Russia and allies) sees what is going on, he attacks the King of the West from the north. Then the Kings of the East (China and allies) decide to attack the King of the West.

Hi Douggg,

There is no King of the West in scripture. Also the king of the North is from the legacy of Alexander the Great, and is the Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria. The king of the South is Egypt & Libya of the Ptolomaic Dynasty.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

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There is one beast kingdom in Revelation 13. It's composite makeup represents that it has control of the territories once held by Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greeks - basically the middle east and it's oil.

The oil is the critical factor that will be an incentive for Europe to rush into the decimated middle east countries following Gog/Magog. Right before the 7 years begin.
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Hi Douggg,

It is only a small section of the Middle East and not the most oil rich areas. Also only the Iranian army, of the Arab countries gets annihilated when it joins the Russian Federation against Israel. Those nations are clearly identified in Ezekiel.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, .....

Marilyn, all persons, rich or poor, great and small will be required to take the mark of his name, the number of his name, or his name - to buy or sell. The whole world, except the saints, will worship the beast.

The middle east is just one part of the world. Following Gog/Magog, the middle east will be occupied and controlled by the EU (and it's western allies).

The world during the last 7 years (and is heading that way now) will align itself by natural tendency into four regional global powers - by tradition and cultural ties.

The West together, the African nations together, Russia and its bordering nations together, China and the Asian nations together.

Of those four powers - the West will be the most powerful, militarily and technologically, to impose it's will on the other three regional global powers. The West will control the global money system in that last forty two months, and more or less does now.
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Hi Douggg,

You have only shown some of the Middle East controlled by the EU, and not the main part.

The world being divided into regions is mainly for economic reasons and does not hold by tradition and cultural ties. For example, Australia is being brought into the Asian region; however we do not have tradition or cultural ties with Asia. Australia is connected to Britain and is part of the British Commonwealth & stands alongside them in wars.

You said -

Of those four powers - the West will be the most powerful, militarily and technological, to impose it's will on the other three regional global powers.

If the EU (& USA & Canada) will impose its will on the world regions, then that is that the whole world and not just those mainly poor countries in the Middle East.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Douggg,

It seems to me your view has conflicting messages. On one hand it says that the beast has control of some mainly poor countries in the Middle East, and then on the other hand this view is saying that the beast controls all the regions of the world.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

It seems to me your view has conflicting messages. On one hand it says that the beast has control of some mainly poor countries in the Middle East, and then on the other hand this view is saying that the beast controls all the regions of the world.

Marilyn.

Marilyn, those countries in the middle east are oil rich. The EU and its western allies will be occupying those oil rich countries in the middle east controlling the oil.

The EU and its western allies are not going to be occupying the other nations of the world. But the EU and the west will be controlling the global monetary system, as it pretty much does now..

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,
You have only shown some of the Middle East controlled by the EU, and not the main part.

Not the main part of "what" ? The middle east? Yes, they will. The territories once held by Babylonian,
Medes-Persian, Greek empires.

The world being divided into regions is mainly for economic reasons and does not hold by tradition and cultural ties. For example, Australia is being brought into the Asian region; however we do not have tradition or cultural ties with Asia. Australia is connected to Britain and is part of the British Commonwealth & stands alongside them in wars.

Australia has heavy trade with China, as does the Untied States. All three are under different currency systems, and different central banking systems, however. Although all the banking system in the world have connectivity now.

In crisis like the 2008/2009 mortgage backed securities meltdown which almost collapsed all the monetary and economies of the world, the U.S. Fed Reserve stepped in and bailed out our country (the banks) and other countries with massive injections of cash. Where did they get the cash? They just created it out of thin air. And the central banks around the world have being propping up stock markets and economies with "quantitative easing". i.e. injections of cash, ever since. It is a house of cards.

The battles in Daniel 11 are military attacks on the beast and the west, who will be occupying the middle east and controlling the oil. Australia will be aligned with the west because the roots of it's people are from England. It is part of their culture and tradition. Their language, for example, is English.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, those countries in the middle east are oil rich. The EU and its western allies will be occupying those oil rich countries in the middle east controlling the oil.

The EU and its western allies are not going to be occupying the other nations of the world. But the EU and the west will be controlling the global monetary system, as it pretty much does now..

Hi Douggg,

The nations in the beast that you put forward are not the main oil rich nations which are in the Persian Gulf area - Qatar, United Arab Emirates, etc.

I do agree that the EU is and will continue to control the global monetary system.

Glad we can agree on some things. Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

The nations in the beast that you put forward are not the main oil rich nations which are in the Persian Gulf area - Qatar, United Arab Emirates, etc.

I do agree that the EU is and will continue to control the global monetary system.

Glad we can agree on some things. Marilyn.

I am saying that the EU (and it's western allies) following Gog/Magog will be occupying all the oil rich territories in the middle east to control the oil, including Qata, United Arab Emirates, etc. I didn't list them one by one because the maps of the Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greek empires, not to mention the Roman Empire itself, covers them.

 

[Marilyn C]

Not the main part of "what" ? The middle east? Yes, they will. The territories once held by Babylonian,
Medes-Persian, Greek empires.


Australia has heavy trade with China, as does the Untied States. There are under different currency systems, and different central banking system, however. Although all the banking system in the world have connectivity now.

In crisis like the 2008/2009 mortgage backed securities meltdown which almost collapsed all the monetary and economies of the world, the U.S. Fed Reserve stepped in and bailed out our country (the banks) and other countries with massive injections of cash. Where did they get the cash? They just created it out of thin air. And the central banks around the world have being propping up stock markets and economies with "quantitative easing". i.e. injections of cash, ever since. It is a house of cards.

The battles in Daniel 11 are military attacks on the beast and the west, who will be occupying the middle east and controlling the oil. Australia will be aligned with the west because the roots of it's people are from England. It is part of their culture and tradition. Their language, for example, is English.

Hi Douggg,

The main part of the Middle East is collectively, the group called the Gulf Cooperation Council.

- Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Oman with Yeman joining soon.

And yes the US Fed reserve bailed out some banks and institutions, but the actual lender of last resort of the world is the IMF. The International Monetary Fund creates its own currency - SDR`s, Special Drawing Rights, and that is the basis of our Global Monetary system.

I don`t see any `West` in Dan. 11.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

I am saying that the EU (and it's western allies) following Gog/Magog will be occupying all the oil rich territories in the middle east to control the oil, including Qata, United Arab Emirates, etc. I didn't list them one by one because the maps of the Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greek empires, not to mention the Roman Empire itself, covers them.

Hi Douggg,

We must be looking at different versions of those empires, for my maps don`t show any of those empires controlling the Persian Gulf region. (Book - Bible Atlas by Tim Dowley. Essential Bible reference.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

There is no King of the West in scripture. Also the king of the North is from the legacy of Alexander the Great, and is the Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria. The king of the South is Egypt & Libya of the Ptolomaic Dynasty.

Marilyn.

Kings of the south and north, at the time of the Alexander, the following Seleucid dynasty, and the Ptolomies were big time powers back in their day. But not in the end times. Which Daniel 11 up to verses 34-36 are historic to us. Verse 36 is end times, and is referring to the beast, king of the End time Roman empire.

You say the King of the West in not in scripture. Well, the King of the West is effectively there, even in the historic verses.

How so? Antiochus was on his way to depose the Ptolemy king of Egypt. But was intercepted on his way by a Roman representative of the King of the West - Leader of Rome, that if Antiochus continued, he would be at war with Rome. The famous line in the sand incident. As Rome was backing the Ptolemy king of Egypt.

The King of the West forcing the King of the north to turn back....

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

 

[Marilyn C]

Kings of the south and north, at the time of the Alexander, the following Seleucid dynasty, and the Ptolomies were big time powers back in their day. But not in the end times. Which Daniel 11 up to verses 34-36 are historic to us. Verse 36 is end times, and is referring to the beast, king of the End time Roman empire.

You say the King of the West in not in scripture. Well, the King of the West is effectively there, even in the historic verses.

How so? Antiochus was on his way to depose the Ptolemy king of Egypt. But was intercepted on his way by a Roman representative of the King of the West - Leader of Rome, that if Antiochus continued, he would be at war with Rome. The famous line in the sand incident. As Rome was backing the Ptolemy king of Egypt.

The King of the West forcing the King of the north to turn back....

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Hi Douggg,

You are right the western lands are there, Chittim or Kittim. Good point. However we note that they are not the major player, the King of the North, (old Assyria) is.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

We must be looking at different versions of those empires, for my maps don`t show any of those empires controlling the Persian Gulf region. (Book - Bible Atlas by Tim Dowley. Essential Bible reference.

Marilyn.

Okay, I am going to agree with you. The EU and the West are still going to control all the oil, though, because it will be in their interests and opportunity.

One of the things that makes your point important is in Ezekiel 38 Dedan, which is supposedly Saudi Arabia, raises a protest apparently regarding Russia's involvement in the invasion, asks....

Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

You are right the western lands are there, Chittim or Kittim. Good point. However we note that they are not the major player, the King of the North, (old Assyria) is.

Marilyn.

Well, the Roman power were a major factor, but not spoken of directly in those historic to us verses in Daniel 11.

And although Rome was a power, it has not become an empire with an emperor at that time. A little later Julius Caesar, in his day, declared himself dictator (more or less) for life, destroying the republic. Which out of the power struggles that followed his death, Augustus Caesar (previously called Octavian) became the first "emperor" of Rome. But the second Caesar family king of the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar was the first of that family's run of kings. Nero was the last of the family's run of kings.

 

[Marilyn C]

Okay, I am going to agree with you. The EU and the West are still going to control all the oil, though, because it will be in their interests and opportunity.

One of the things that makes your point important is in Ezekiel 38 Dedan, which is supposedly Saudi Arabia, raises a protest apparently regarding Russia's involvement in the invasion, asks....

Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Hi Douggg,

Great, we are agreeing on quite a bit here bro. And I believe the merchants of Tarshish and all the young lions, is the British Commonwealth. They are well known by that symbol. Even in WW2 we see on this poster.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Great, we are agreeing on quite a bit here bro. And I believe the merchants of Tarshish and all the young lions, is the British Commonwealth. They are well known by that symbol. Even in WW2 we see on this poster.View attachment 249497

The EU is going through a backlash against muslims right now. With populous nationalists parties gaining control in several EU countries, against globalism, in favor of their own cultures and traditions.

By the time Gog/Magog Russia/Muslim coalition makes it's move, the leader of the EU, the little horn person, will be fully backed by the sentiment in Europe to stage the EU army in Greece - with a show of force deterrent to oppose the muslims.

God destroys the armies of the invaders by supernatural means. Whether the EU army gets involved, is unknown, but in the aftermath, the little horn person will be perceived by the Jews as willing to go to war to defend them. Which is one reason they will believe that he is the messiah person.
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We are not there yet with the little horn person and the ten kings. It will probably take a combination of political and economic upheaval in Europe before then. But those things could happen quickly.

What we know right now is we got the muslims involved with Iran, Turkey, Russia on Israel's doorstep. And Islam's requirement to take lands back for islam, if those lands should ever fall into the hands of non-muslims. As far as the Gog/Magog force.