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Anti-catholic; an emotion laden term meant to incite.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by simonthezealot, Feb 3, 2009.

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  1. simonthezealot

    simonthezealot have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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    I've been called an anti-catholic more times on here than I care to mention, what I find troublesome about this whole labeling is that it incites an emotion within people, it is true I deny that Rome teaches a saving gospel because of their view/teaching of justification and I am not afraid to drive that home, question is; does this in itself make me an anti-catholic? truth is I am defending MY faith... if thats the case then I may as well be called an;anti-nontrinitarian, anti-mormon, anti-osteen, anti-arminian, anti-JW, anti-exchanged life, anti-episcopalian,anti-emergent, anti-universalist, anti-well you get the idea...I debate with everyone of these other apologists and have never been called anti-anyofthem.
    While I am more active debating against catholics than most of the others i've had no shortage of debating the others on here, it is just by pure numbers that the catholicism debate seems to surge to the top.

    My whole point of this thread is why isnt the label anti-catholic considered a flame? You don't see us reformed apologists calling others anti-reformists.
     
  2. PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter

    PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter He's not a man! He's a machine!

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    It's true. Simon and I are very similar in belief and we've locked horns on at least the two underscored issues above more than once. But I don't consider him anti . . . just wrong. ;)

    It would be good to lose the emotional stigma in order to have a more productive discussion about our variances of belief. I guess we can't help getting emotionally involved when we feel it really deeply.

    Go Cards!
     
  3. Uphill Battle

    Uphill Battle Well-Known Member

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    except that Anti-catholicism is very much alive and well.

    Perhaps everyone who is labeled as "anti-catholic" shouldn't be, the instant kneejerk reaction is to label anyone who challenges or disagrees with Roman Catholic theology.

    However, our Catholic brothers and sisters DO endure a great deal of name calling, vitriolic filth, and outright lies.

    I'm saddened by it, both for the fact that they shouldn't have to deal with it as such, but because it also renders any discussion with disagreement unproductive right from the get go.

    I've been called anti-catholic enough times myself.
     
  4. tadoflamb

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    A little while back you had a signature that read, "come out of her my people".


    What did you mean by that?
     
  5. simonthezealot

    simonthezealot have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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    What was meant by that is for people to come out of false teaching, and seek the LORD.
    I doubt you'll ever find me referring to Catholocism as the Whore of Babylon because personally I believe it is not the case, while I can understand why in the first 400 years after the reformation it was the overwhelming belief of reformists, I wouldn't be so confident as that.
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Hi tado. I had that in my siggy at one time and it got me banned :p
     
  7. namericanboy

    namericanboy Senior Member

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    I don't see questioning something to be anti...I live in a large Catholic area..People see
    members of a church doing things moreso than other churches they question practices they see...Nothing anti about it..I think we are into a time to test everything by the plumbline of scripture..
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Agree. But different Christians view Scriptures different ways and that can cause problems also I think.

    Reps to stz.........
     
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  9. simonthezealot

    simonthezealot have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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    The other thing i'd like to say in addition to it being an emotion laden label, it also implies a lack of acknowledgement/respect for MY theology...For example instead of defining me by my theology ie. reformed apologist someone who labels me anti-catholic is defining me by their theology...It is demeaning in that sense as well...kinda like being called a seperated brethren.
     
  10. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I feel I got to rephrase one of my posts. I wasn't banned for the use of the "come out of them/her" verses though I was asked to remove it.
    It was because I used it in a post in response to another poster and at the time I was pretty much labeled a "viral anti-Catholic".
    But that is water under the bridge and I harbor no ill will towards those that thought about me that way.
    I can be against a Theology/Doctrine/Dogma and not against the person or denomination itself.
    I am striving to fit into GT as I do not consider myself a RC or Protestant, just a simple humble Christian disciple in Jesus my Lord. Peace to all....
     
  11. tadoflamb

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    I know you consider Catholicism to be false teaching so why would we be exempt for your plea to "come out of her". You're suffering from a PR problem. You can't use that for your siggie and not have me thinking you're calling me a son of the Whore. Of course you're going to be pegged "anti-Catholic".
     
  12. simonthezealot

    simonthezealot have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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    So lets say I believed the anti-christ was to arise from the church at Rome (which I don't)...Why still does that make me an anti-catholic?
    Your church teaches that protestantism is the great heresy...Shall we start calling you anti-reformist??
     
  13. tadoflamb

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    Problem is, I don't know what YOUR theology is. I suspect YOUR theology is like a lot of other non-Catholics around here, it's specific to YOU. Besides, what's a reformed apologist anyways. That term is so ambiguous is could mean anything.

    And on the seperated bretheren thing....I mentioned your siggie of late, "come out of her my people". Call me paranoid but, being Catholic, I'm pretty sure that comment is directed towards me. Since the Catholic Church is my mother, essentially you're calling me a son of the Whore. While on the surface that may sound bad enough, given it's biblical context, well....I've just been demonized. Simon, if you consider me a son of a whore why would you get upset if I consider you a seperated bretheren?
     
  14. archierieus

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    Adding my pennies' worth . . .

    Skip the name-calling altogether, across the board. Why do it?
     
  15. Rhamiel

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    Bold green is where I added emphasis
    It sounds like you are saying that a person can not be a practicing Catholic who believes in Catholic doctrine and also be a saved, born agian Christian, I am not trying to bait you Simon, if that is really what you believe you are free to PM me, (I do not report PMs unless people are cussing or being lewd or something obscene like that)
    and if that is how you think then you are anti-Catholic, I know a few Catholics who are "anti-reformist" they do not think Protestants are really Christian, and I am a lot more harsh to them then I am towards anti-Catholics (only because I know they have no excuse to think such things because the Church does not teach that, so they are being both uncharitable and they are not listening to the Church they claim to believe in)
    I do not think Mormons are Christian either, so if some one wants to call me anti-mormon, well ok.
    I do not call people anti-Catholic for just saying the Catholic Church is wrong, that would be silly
    if you say the Catholic Church is not Christian, I will call you anti-Catholic
    if you say the Catholic Church is a threat to freedom, I will listen to you... but it will probably end with me calling you antiCatholic
     
  16. MamaZ

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    Well I guess that because we do not believe in a religion but in the Person Jesus Christ is where alot of the issues flow. If I am to be called anti Catholic then that is okay with me. But notice it is the religion itself and not the people. But when we come against a religion all of a sudden we hate the catholic people it seems and that is just not the truth. :) For love rejoices in truth.
     
  17. tadoflamb

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    When you go to the extreme that you've demonized the Catholic Church (come out of her my people) then you cross the line into anti-Catholicism.

    I missed the memo about Protestantism being the great heresy. In his book The Great Heresies, Hillaire Belloc doesn't present Protestantism as a great heresy but has many small heresies contained within it.

    You can call me anti-reformist if you like, it beats being called a son of a whore. ^_^
     
  18. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I decided to take a closer look at those 2 verses and there is a difference in the word used for "out" in 2 Corin 6 and Reve 18.
    In no way does this apply to the RCC or any denomination. I have a view on this but that is for another thread...Thoughts?

    2 Corin 6:17 wherefore come-forth! out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord

    Textus Rec.) 2 Corinthians 6:17 dio exelqete ek mesou autwn kai aforisqhte legei kurioV.................

    Revelation 18:4 And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her the People of Me.............

    Textus Rec.) Revelation 18:4 kai hkousa allhn fwnhn ek tou ouranou legousan exelqete ex authV o laoV mou...........
     
  19. simonthezealot

    simonthezealot have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?

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    I'm a reformed calvinist with over 8000 post i am surprised to hear you ay you didn't know it...
    But heh there you go again definig me by your theology, NOT demeaning at all.

    I can't promise the defense of my faith being ardently presented is NOT going to ever offend you, that would be a lie...That being said I need to ask, you don't think the JW and Mormon and many other nonreformed churches consider their headquarters to be the "mother church" as well?
    I understand you taking it that way, but clearly thinking it specifically was directed at Rome would be typical with catholic apologists, even though there was a much more vast and vague purpose.
     
  20. squint

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    They say no different than you except most of them will stay short of condemning you to hell. You on the other hand cannot make that claim to them.

    Anytime condemnation of other people in any form comes forth, there are evil intentions behind same that will not be quelled...

    By participation, both sides become pawns of the hatreds they promote.

    Yeah, from what I've seen of your postulations you probably condemn all of the above to hell, and we haven't even arrived at the unsaveds doorstep yet. In the end you may be the only one getting into heaven eh?

    Anytime a groups positions pull salvation off the table for the other group there is rightful offense. When both sides do, it's even uglier.

    Is there some sense to that?

    Does the reformed position really take salvation off the table for the RCCer's Simon? I wasn't aware that is an official position.

    ?
     
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