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Another Fossil Transitional Species that shouldn't exist ... Meet Pappochelys

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Split Rock, Jun 29, 2015.

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  1. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    Between what and what?
     
  2. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    The Dover trial? You mean the one where the conservative judge concluded that I.D. is just creationism with a new ribbon on it?

    BTW, Sky, its the transitionals that we don't find that are the most telling.. like between mammals and birds or between lizards and fish... ones that evolution predicts we shouldn't find.
     
  3. Smidlee

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    The judge only judged if questioning Darwinism should be allowed in public schools. What I referring to is the actual scientist in the trial cherry picking features to fit their assumptions.
     
  4. MikeEnders

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    I've answered many questions and some of them are even in this thread. You have answered none of mine. I didn't CLAIM anything. I stated the fact that you are not in any position to demand what you don't give. I told you before I would not keep playing your game on that. NO need to cry about what you were informed before was not going to be permitted endlessly

    Been my position ever since you begged off answering mine.

    P.S. for people who may answer your question not knowing that you won't answer theirs (because you can't) you might want to consider a better one than why fish would appear at the lower "stratas" (or for that matter using the failed strategy of claiming a fossil does not exist because it does not show up in the fossil record - which you elsewhere beg the opposite for to answer the lack of more transitional fossils). Every year new discoveries discredit that rational over and over again. Still not answering your questions due to your failure to answer any - just a free tip. ;)
     
  5. Loudmouth

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    We could start with this page, if you want.

    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/05/do_shared_ervs_support_common_046751.html

    Specifically, this claim:

    "Out of tens of thousands of ERV elements in the human genome, roughly how many are known to occupy the same sites in humans and chimpanzees? According to this Talk-Origins article, at least seven. Let's call it less than a dozen. Given the sheer number of these retroviruses in our genome (literally tens of thousands), and accounting for the evidence of integration preferences and site biases which I have documented above, what are the odds of finding a handful of ERV elements which have independently inserted themselves into the same locus?"

    Do you think this stands up to the facts?

    Why not?
    Where does TO attack religion? Why aren't peer reviewed research articles valid scientific sources?

    Do you have a problem with facts?
     
  6. Loudmouth

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    Then what would a real transitional look like? Would it have no similarity to tetrapods?
     
  7. Loudmouth

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    What realities do you want faced? What do you think so problematic with those species?
     
  8. Loudmouth

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    A transitional between what and what?
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    It's pure science fiction, from your imagination, all the way to Journal publishing.
    The better story tellers spin the best tales with just enough evidence sprinkled in.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    Nothing in the slightest. Yet I hear no talk of "transitional" anywhere.
    Because such talk is "stupid?"
    Likely.
     
  11. Loudmouth

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    Why do you think they should be considered transitional? List the physical features and your reasoning.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    I don't believe in such talk.
    I believe such talk is stupid.
     
  13. Loudmouth

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    Why did you put those pictures up? What was the point you were trying to make?
     
  14. MikeEnders

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    IN case you missed it I already indicated where we could start

    http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/

    specifically

    "The vestigial features of whales tell us two things. They tell us that whales, like so many other organisms, have features that make no sense from a design perspective - they have no current function, they require energy to produce and maintain, and they may be deleterious to the organism. They also tell us that whales carry a piece of their evolutionary past with them, highlighting a history of a terrestrial ancestry........................Whales also retain a number of vestigial structures in their organs of sensation. Modern whales have only vestigial olfactory nerves. Furthermore, in modern whales the auditory meatus (the exterior opening of the ear canal) is closed. "

    Now thats some tripe


    "Why not?"

    Why you can't you speak for "we" on a christian forum? Seriously? try to think why that would be. when last have CHristians appointed agnostics as their spokeperson?

    "Where does TO attack religion? Why aren't peer reviewed research articles valid scientific sources?"

    Oh please...only in your dreams is TO a peer reviewed scientific journal and them getting involved in discussions of the bible and prophecy show exactly that they are not a science based site and are hacks by using the watchtower article "which is published by JWs which many many consider a cult and citing their source as another atheist site. Pure hackery at its finest.

    NO thats why I am still laughing at TO talking about Whales.
     
  15. crjmurray

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    Ay! Whoa! What's ya problem with whales all of a sudden?!
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    My goal is to confuse you.
     
  17. MikeEnders

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    LOL...I love whales. where did i say otherwise? Perhaps go back and read the quote?
     
  18. crjmurray

    crjmurray The Bear. Not The Bull.

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    I'll restate. What's your problem with the TO article on whales?
     
  19. MikeEnders

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    I'll restate and specify - this is tripe

    ""The vestigial features of whales tell us two things. They tell us that whales, like so many other organisms, have features that make no sense from a design perspective - they have no current function, they require energy to produce and maintain, and they may be deleterious to the organism. They also tell us that whales carry a piece of their evolutionary past with them, highlighting a history of a terrestrial ancestry........................Whales also retain a number of vestigial structures in their organs of sensation. Modern whales have only vestigial olfactory nerves"

    Still lost as to what I am taking issue with?
     
  20. crjmurray

    crjmurray The Bear. Not The Bull.

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    I'm on the edge of my seat
     
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