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Anglicans, in which of the 5 Solas of the Protestant Reformation do you believe?

Discussion in 'Scripture,Tradition,Reason-Anglican & Old Catholic' started by Anna Scott, Jun 12, 2012.

  1. I'm undecided.

  2. I believe in Sola Fide (by Faith alone).

  3. I believe in Sola Scriptura (by Scripture alone).

  4. I believe in Solo Christo/Solus Christus (by Christ alone or through Christ alone).

  5. I believe in Sola Gratia (by Grace alone).

  6. I believe in Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God alone).

  7. I believe in all 5 Solas.

  8. I'm not that familiar with the 5 Solas.

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  1. Anna Scott

    Anna Scott Senior Member

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    If you would, please take the poll and then explain your answers. :)

    1. Sola fide ("by faith alone")
    2. Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone")
    3. Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone")
    4. Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
    5. Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone")

    While all are welcome to post on this thread, please only answer the Poll if you are Anglican. I'm really interested in what my fellow Anglicans believe.

    Thank you so much! I look forward to your comments.

    Anna
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2012
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  2. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I believe in all 5. I have taught this to Baptists, Catholics and Pentecostals.

    Of course, each may have different meanings to different people.
     
  3. Anna Scott

    Anna Scott Senior Member

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    Mark,
    Thank you for voting and for your comments. Indeed each may have different meanings to different people--especially Sola Scriptura.

    In your teaching, how do you present/define Sola Scriptura, if you don't mind my asking?

    Anna
     
  4. PaladinValer

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    I'm by faith alone, but faith is something that is more than just mere belief; it is a belief that is active and alive; one that works.

    I'm prima scriptura when it comes to doctrine and faith myself, although sola scriptura when it comes to salvation.

    I'm a firm adherent that only by Jesus the Christ is someone saved. Does that mean Jesus can save non-Christians? Maybe; He's God, I am not. I let Him, being the Judge, decide on such things.

    I'm grace alone, but the sacraments aren't the only means by which grace is bestowed, just the only ways it is assuredly so.

    I give all latria to God and God alone, and through His work in them, I offer doulia and ONLY doulia to the Saints. They are not a source of grace; only He is, although I give all due respect and honor to them, and I am certain their prayers aid, although only by God the Holy Spirit, not by their own merits.
     
  5. ebia

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    Depends on what one means by each.
     
  6. MichaelNZ

    MichaelNZ Servus Mariae

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    I agree with PaladinValer on prima Scriptura - I believe that tradition (in the decrees of the first 4 Ecumenical Councils) more fully explains the doctrines of the Trinity and the Hypostatic Union.
     
  7. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    FIRST, AN ASIDE

    For me, the heart of the solas is that we are saved by Grace (alone), through faith (alone) in Christ Jesus (alone). The Bible does not save us. Jesus does. If there were no canonized bible, we still would have eternal life. Jesus passed on the Truth (and the gospel message) to His apostles, who passed it on, who passed it on. For many in the world, there is no written bible. For others, there is only the Book of John. HOWEVER, almost all the world has heard the gospel message.

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    File 13 had a very thorough devlopment about a year ago. I hope that he can dig out the old thread (and a couple of his posts.

    There are many asociated issues such as supremacy of Scripture and sufficiency of Scripture.
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    Our faith is in Jesus. He is revealed in Scripture. To the degree that there is any other Truth (not contained directly in Scripture) about Jesus, that Truth cannot contradict Scripture. Yes, we use Holy Reason and Experience (prayer and action in the world) to help us to understand Jesus and our faith.

    As the ECF's have said, Scripture (meaning the gospel message) is a more than sufficient explanation of our situation and of Jesus.

    Most today would call this position "primacy of Scripture" and "sufficiency (for salvation issues) of Scripture".

    What is missing is the context, that Scripture is almost meaningless without the illumination of the Church. Our faith is not about understanding Scripture. It is about a relationship with God.

    Yes, scripture is the ONLY (Sola) source for Truth on issues of eternal salvation. And the Church alone interpreted and resolved the issues of interpretation for 1500 years (almost no one else read the Bible). The Church gave us the Canon, the Creeds, the Trinity, and our understanding of the nature of Jesus, baptism, forgiveness and so much more that were argued about in the first centuries.

    Are we experts at translation? How well do we understand the cultures of the bible? Do we really understand what the words and parables meant at the time? The Truth is timeless; the understanding of the Greek and the cultures of the time is not. What would we make of the thousands and thousands of scraps of hundreds of documents without the Church? It is the Church that Jesus gave the Truth. Scripture was canonized for centuries. Jesus taught that there would be much that would be explained after he was gone, by the Holy Spirit, through his Church. The Church has dealt with these issues for 2000 years. That is way Jesus and the Holy Spirit set it up. :)

    INTERPRETATION

    Among the ECF's, St Vincent of Lerins had the best exposition of the issue of interpretation. There were many times when issues were disputed, with Scripture on both sides. It was always the Church that made the final decisions on interpretation. The most major of these were decided by Council.

    But, ultimately, the we all are interpreting Scripture. When we are discussing eternal life, there can be no other SOURCE document.

    Only the RCC would think that the Church ADDS to that which we must understand/accept in order to have eternal life. And even then, personally, I believe that this is a mistake within the RCC, and in understanding the RCC. In any case, I believe that this is a misunderstanding of the nature of heaven and hell, and what precludes us the His eternal presence of God. The RCC ties each doctrine to Scripture. We need to check out the catechism and the companion to the catechism. Scripture is always the Source of Truth, the standard by which we measure added understandings (and there have been many over the centuries, including the Trinity).

    THE BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ITSELF & SOLO SCRIPTURA

    In the Westminster Confession, we are told not only to rely on Scripture alone, but that anyone can understand the plain message of Scripture without explanation from anyone. The opposition to the Church was great (the pope was called the AntiChrist later in the document). These overstatement in the heat of wars must be taken within their historical context (as with our 39 Articles, much tamer than the European confessions).

    In this age, Sola Scriptura has come to mean that we believe as we and use Scripture to support our view. In a more positive wasy, we might say that Scripture is the only source of Truth about our faith and our actions, and that we as individuals are best suited to judge among alternative views. Ultimately this is individualism at its worst. Scripture and the statements of the ECF's can be used to support or oppose almost anything. This view is often called SOLO SCRIPTURA (a relatively new idea) to distinguish it from SOLA SCRIPTURA which goes back to the ECF's.

    Jesus DID NOT leave us as orphans. He gave us the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit. The idea of millions of folks waving bibles at each other to support their view, with no way to resolve the issue (no authority or Church or Council) would have been a foreign idea to all in the first centuries and certainaly at the time of Jesus.

    I can understand how some have come to THEIR idea of Sola Scriptura. It is consistent with the modern age. We are individuals. We are self-sufficient (well us and God). We need no one on Earth to help us see the Truth. This is America and this is the individualism that we have spread to the world. It is a blessing and a curse. In this case, it is a curse. It divides the family of God. In a sense, it almost denies the family and replaces it with millions of individuals.

     
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  8. LuxMundi

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    All 5 :)
     
  9. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Indeed.

     
  10. Izdaari

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    I'm more prima scriptura than sola scriptura, so I left that one out and voted for the other four.
     
  11. Anna Scott

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    Mark,
    I really appreciate your taking the time to post this information. I think it gives a good summary of the Anglican viewpoint--at least one held by many Anglicans. We are so diverse in our beliefs. So, I won't make a sweeping statement.

    I do think the "Sola" terminology is confusing, especially at this point in history. There has been an evolution in the meaning of the 5 Solas, and different people will define them in different ways. I think Sola Scriptura is the most confusing and I appreciate the information you posted in this regard.

    I think the authors of the 39 Articles (though I don't accept all of them entirely) were wise in not using the Sola terminology. Same with the Anglican Catechism.

    Thanks so much,
    Anna
     
  12. Anna Scott

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    PaladinValer,
    Thank you so much for the explanation. It helps to know how you view the Solas.

    Thanks, :)
    Anna
     
  13. Anna Scott

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    So far, it seems we have a consensus regarding Prima Scriptura/Primacy of Scripture over Sola Scriptura.

    Any further comments on this? I'm very interested in hearing all you have the time to share. :)

    Anna
     
  14. LuxMundi

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    Probably owing to a misunderstanding of what sola scriptura means. See this.
     
  15. Anna Scott

    Anna Scott Senior Member

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    LuxMundi,

    Very concise. :D

    Anything further you want to add on how you define the Solas?

    Thanks,
    Anna
     
  16. Anna Scott

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    Ebia,
    Never a truer statement uttered. :D

    That's why I asked for explanations. I'm interesting in seeing how Anglicans define/view the 5 Solas, given our diversity in beliefs.

    Anymore to add?

    Thank you!
    Anna
     
  17. Anna Scott

    Anna Scott Senior Member

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    Thanks to all who voted! Hope more Anglicans will take the poll and comment.

    Anna
     
  18. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Our consensus is that we reject the Solo Scriptura of this (and last century).

    We do differ with Luther. Those of us who accept Sola Scriptura are using definitions much older than Luther that include Scripture in the context of Tradition.

    Please don't patronize us by presuming that the only reason we disagree with you (and Luther) is because we don't understand.

    We have a consensus here on the STR Board. As the title should suggest, we include Tradition in our interpetations of Scripture, although Scripture is primary and sufficeint with regard to the gospel of salvation.


     
  19. Anna Scott

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    Mark,
    I'm so sorry my response sounded patronizing. I didn't assume you don't understand. I was actually agreeing, not disagreeing. Also, I am an Anglican too; and I'm not a fan of Luther.

    The reason I started this thread is because on another forum (AF); I was told, by fellow Anglicans, the Reformers defined Sola Scriptura, especially Luther, the founder of all of our five solas; and that Luther, as the father of it all, must be taken with grave respect and extreme seriousness. I disagreed, which didn't go over very well.

    So, I wanted to see what other Anglicans think about the 5 Solas and Sola Scriptura in particular.

    I should have made my position more clear. I hope this post clears that up.

    Peace,
    Anna
     
  20. Anna Scott

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    Mark,
    I'm so sorry my response sounded patronizing. I didn't assume you don't understand. I was actually agreeing, not disagreeing. Also, I'm not a fan of Luther; and I am an Anglican too.

    The reason I started this thread is because on another forum; I was told, by fellow Anglicans, the Reformers defined Sola Scriptura, especially Luther, the founder of all of our five solas; and that Luther, as the father of it all, must be taken with grave respect and extreme seriousness; and that we should understand Sola Scriptura in light of Luther's definition (paraphrasing.) I disagreed, which didn't go over very well.

    So, I wanted to see what other Anglicans think about the 5 Solas and Sola Scriptura in particular.

    I should have made my position more clear. I hope this post clears that up.

    Peace,
    Anna
     
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