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And what does Acts 2:38 really mean ?

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Dan Perez, Aug 30, 2021.

  1. Dan Perez

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    And Peter declared to them , repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and ye SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .

    #1 The Greek word DECLARED / or SAID is in the Greek IMPERFECT TENSE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD , WHY ?

    #2 Why does Peter say to them BAPTIZED , in the NAME OF Jesus Christ ?

    #3 Why did Peter not baptized them in the name of the FATHER , SON and the HOLY SPIRIT ?

    #4 Why is the words , be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of SINS , and without WATER BAPTISM sins can not be forgiven ?? REALLY

    # 5 So Eph 2 :8 does not apply today ? Saved by Grace ??

    #6 Why does nthe Greek words WILL RECEIVE in the Greek FUTURE TENSE ??

    Just asking , dan p
     
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    Christ shall appear a second time to those who look for him. Look for Him.
     
  3. Maria Billingsley

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    This has nothing to do with water baptism performed by John the Baptist. It has to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
    Here is sctipture...
    Luke
    Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John, whether he was the Christ or not, 16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
     
  4. spiritfilledjm

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    #1 The thing I find most interesting about this is that in the NKJV, it states "Peter then said to them..." whereas in the greek it states "Peter then to them, "Repent, he declared..." obviously, "said" would be added to "Peter then to them" for syntax purposes because that's what Luke would have meant. As far as for the imperfect tense and indicative mood part, no clue. I just know that phesin means both said and declared according to Strong's

    #2 and #3 Peter commanded them to be baptized because Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize. As far as why Peter said specifically in the name of Jesus Christ, again, no clue. My only guess is that they may have already been baptized under John's baptism, which would be under God, and by being baptized they would receive the Holy Spirit effectively baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    #4. Peter does not say that without water baptism sins cannot be forgiven.

    #5 Still applies. It is not baptism that saves but rather faith and God's grace. Baptism is a command given by Christ and is the first command that one follows after salvation. Even though baptism does not save, I always question one who chooses to not be baptized. Do you really want your first act as a Christian to disobey a command from your Lord and Savior that you just gave your heart to?

    #6 Because Peter was saying that when they are baptized they will receive the Holy Spirit. The people's baptism had not yet taken place so therefore, they would receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized in the future, whether that was in 5 seconds or 5 years.
     
  5. com7fy8

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    Something I get right now is this verse is quoting Peter. So, first and basic is that this is simply an historical report of what Peter said to the Jews who had been involved in rejecting and murdering God's own Son, their Messiah.

    They were shocked and stunned, that they were guilty of that. And they asked what must they do?

    And Peter tells them to be baptized in the name of Jesus . . . and therefore that they are confessing Jesus before people. Plus, Peter, means that if they repent and do the restitution of now honoring Christ, instead of continuing in their wrong, then they will receive God's own Holy Spirit.

    So, Peter is showing them that God indeed does want them, even after they did such evil: if they repent and acknowledge Jesus, they can be free of their past wrongs and receive the Holy Spirit.
     
  6. Michael Collum

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    Hmm, so if we cannot receive the Holy Spirit anymore, that would mean we're in the age of torment?

    However, since we can ...
     
  7. com7fy8

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    My opinion :) >

    If you do something in the name of someone, you do not necessarily need to name the person. By acting by that person's authority and approval and in honor of the person, you are doing it in the person's name.

    If you think doing something "in the name of" someone means you must say, "In the name of . . . so-and-so", have fun with Colossians 3:17 >

    "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him." (Colossians 3:17)

    Now, there are ones who go around saying, "In the name of Jesus" while doing everything they do. And for a while I thought Colossians 3:17 meant this; so I decided I could be efficient by starting the day with a little prayer, saying, "Today, God, I do everything in the name of Jesus." And very readily I heard in my mind, "You're going to sin in the name of Jesus??"

    And I notice how Colossians 3:17 says to do all in Jesus Christ's name, and right after Paul tells us this, he says, "giving thanks to God the Father through Him."

    So, I see that one could go around all day saying "in the name of Jesus", but what could really make something in His name is thanking our Father through Jesus. And this could mean being humble and gentle like Jesus so we are pleasing our Father while doing things that Jesus desires; how we are and love could be naming Jesus to our Father, versus only putting on an outward show of what we say. And, of course, if I am obeying Jesus . . . how He personally guides us . . . we are acting in His name, acting by His authority by doing what He has us doing.

    So, I see it possible how Jesus all along has meant how we are in love is what names Him while we baptize. And this also names our Father and the Holy Spirit.
     
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  8. Guojing

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    Under the gospel of the kingdom preached to Israel only, water baptism is a requirement for salvation. Israel as a nation was supposed to accept Jesus as their Messiah and be ushered into their promised kingdom where Jesus will rule over them from David's throne in Jerusalem.

    Then Israel will become a kingdom of priest, in order to be a priest, every Jew MUST be baptized (Exodus 19:4-6)

    Once that happen, then every Jew will be responsible to spread the gospel to every Gentile nation under the Earth. There are a number of OT passages that talk about this prophetic timetable, the most beautiful to me is found in Zechariah 8

    3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

    7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;

    8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

    20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

    21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

    22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

    23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
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    But as we can all see by Acts 7, Israel has rejected their King, they even stoned Stephen who was full of the Holy Spirit. When that happened, Jesus saved Saul and revealed to him a mystery, that because of Israel's rejection, all the Gentiles can now be saved without them (Romans 9 to Romans 11).

    How does one get saved now? That is thru 1 Cor 15:1-4. Water baptism is no longer required for anything under this mystery grace dispensation.
     
  9. Revived

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    Acts 2:38 is God’s plan of salvation for Israel: Peter is instructing Jews to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the Person they rejected and crucified on Calvary’s cross. Peter said, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36), and then He urged to be baptized in Jesus’ name (verse 38).

    Nearly everyone in Christendom is convinced that Acts chapter 2 is “the birthday of the Church the Body of Christ.” Does this overwhelming consensus agree with God’s Word, or is this just a denominational viewpoint courtesy of religious tradition? Let us search the Scriptures to see what Almighty God has to say about this often-confused topic.

    Firstly, remember, whenever you see the word “church” in the Bible, it does not necessarily refer to the Church the Body of Christ. “Church” simply means “a called-out assembly.” There are three “churches” in Scripture: the Mosaic Church, the Messianic Church, and the Mystery Church.

    The Mosaic Church is mentioned in Acts 7:38, when the Prophet Stephen refers to the nation Israel as “the church in the wilderness.” The LORD had just called out Israel from Egyptian bondage. Certainly, that “church” had nothing to do with the Body of Christ—it was the nation Israel, a separate and distinct entity. This Mosaic Church derives its name from Moses, the man whom God used to lead Israel from Egypt to the edge of the Promised Land.

    The Greek word ecclesia (often translated “church”) is correctly translated “assembly” in Acts 19:32. The King James translators did not use the word “church” here because it was not a group of believers, but rather a mob of pagan worshippers who were angry with the Apostle Paul after he spoke against their mythological goddess Diana. Again, “church” does not always mean “a group of believers;” likewise, “church” in the Bible does not always refer to the Church the Body of Christ. The context determines the definition of the term.

    Religious tradition has made such a mess of Matthew 16:18. Let us read it as it appears in the King James Bible (Jesus Christ is speaking to Peter): “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” This is neither the Roman Catholic Church nor the Church the Body of Christ. Continue reading in verse 19, “I will give unto thee [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven….” The Lord Jesus Christ has just appointed Peter as the head of the “Messianic Church.” The “rock” is the fact that Jesus is Messiah/Christ (Peter’s profession in verse 16). Again, this is not the Body of Christ because the Messianic Church is comprised of those Jews who have trusted Jesus as their Messiah, Christ, the Son of the living God—this includes those believers from John the Baptist’s ministry and Christ’s earthly ministry (see Matthew 16:15-17). According to Luke 12:32, the Messianic Church is also known as the “little flock,” the believing segment of the nation Israel that will inherit the earthly kingdom promised in the Old Testament.

    When the book of Acts opens, this Messianic Church still exists. In Acts chapter 2, Peter is the chief speaker (remember, he is the head of the Messianic Church and the keys of Israel’s kingdom have been given to him). Do not be confused when Acts 2:47 says “the church”—it is the mishandling of this verse that contributes to the erroneous idea that this is the Church the Body of Christ. Acts chapter 2 is not a reference to the Body of Christ; remember that this is the Messianic Church, what Jesus Christ promised to build back in Matthew 16:18.

    Here are 12 reasons why the “church” in Acts chapter 2 is not the Church the Body of Christ:

    1. ACTS 2 INVOLVES JESUS CHRIST’S EARTHLY MINISTRY.

    The Bible says in Hebrews 2:3-4: “[3] How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; [4] God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” According to the Holy Spirit speaking through the writer of the book of Hebrews—it is a Jewish book!—the early Acts period is a continuation of Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry (which was also Jewish; Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 15:24; John 4:22; Romans 15:8). Read Acts 1:4-5: “[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. [5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” Jesus Christ was referring to John the Baptist’s words in Matthew 3:11: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.” In His earthly ministry, the Lord Jesus Christ promised to send the Holy Ghost (see John 14:16-18; John 15:26; John 16:7)—this promise was fulfilled to Israel in Acts chapter 2. Acts chapter 2 is linked to Jesus’ earthly ministry, which was confined to Israel (see Acts 2:22).

    2. ACTS 2 INVOLVES ISRAEL ONLY.

    The chief speaker of Acts chapter 2 is the Apostle Peter, an apostle of Israel (Matthew 10:1-7; Matthew 19:28; Galatians 2:9). Peter was sent to minister to the nation Israel (Matthew 10:5-7). Undoubtedly, Peter’s audience in Acts chapter 2 is Jews only, the nation Israel (Acts 2:5,14,22,29,36). On four occasions, Peter says that he is speaking to, “Ye men of Judaea” (verse 14), “ye men of Israel” (verse 22), “men and brethren” (verse 29), and “the whole house of Israel” (verse 36). The Holy Ghost is leading the Apostle Peter to speak (verse 4), and the Holy Ghost is well aware that He is speaking to the nation Israel. Indeed, Acts chapter 2 is to Israel and about Israel. The Church the Body of Christ is made up of neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:28; Galatians 6:15; Ephesians 2:11-18; Colossians 3:11); therefore, the Body of Christ is separate from the nation Israel and not related to Acts chapter 2. It is apparently clear that we are still in Jewish-Gentile distinction of “time past” of Ephesians 2:11-12 here in Acts chapter 2. Some may argue that the term “all that are afar off” in Acts 2:39 refers to Gentiles, but they are incorrect because the context does not allow this definition. Actually, we find this term in Daniel 9:7 and it refers to scattered Jews around the world. It has no reference to Gentiles, either in Daniel 9:7 or Acts 2:39.

    3. ACTS 2 INVOLVES PENTECOST, A JEWISH FEAST DAY.

    Acts 2:1 says “when the day of Pentecost was fully come.” This is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. The Body of Christ is separate from Israel’s prophetic program (see Romans 16:25-26). Also, Pentecost is one of the three major Jewish feasts (Leviticus 23:15-16). We members of the Church the Body of Christ are not bound by the laws and feast days of Judaism (Romans 6:14-15; Galatians 4:9-11; Colossians 2:16), so this further proves that the group of believers in Acts chapter 2 is not the Church the Body of Christ. The Spirit of God would never lead a member of the Church the Body of Christ to be under the law (2 Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 5:18).

    4. ACTS 2 INVOLVES PROPHECY, NOT MYSTERY.

    According to what the Holy Ghost through Peter said in Acts 2:16-21, the events of Acts chapter 2 are fulfilled Old Testament prophecy: “[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: [19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: [20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: [21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” The Prophet Joel (2:28-32) prophesied the supernatural events of Acts chapter 2 in relation to Israel’s restoration—we do not have these signs, miracles, and wonders in the Body of Christ and the Dispensation of Grace. The strange astronomical phenomena recorded in Joel and Acts chapter 2 will be fulfilled after our dispensation (see Matthew 24:29-30; Mark 13:24-26; Luke 21:25-28; Revelation 6:12-14). Again, the Body of Christ has no relation to the Old Testament because the “mystery” (our Dispensation of Grace) was “kept secret since the world began” (Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:5; Colossians 1:26). The risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ revealed our mystery dispensation first and only to the Apostle Paul (Romans 16:25-26; Ephesians 3:1-9; Colossians 1:25-29). We do not find ourselves outside of Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon.

    5. ACTS 2 INVOLVES “THE LAST DAYS.”

    We return to Acts 2:17: “[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” Notice the expression “in the last days” in verse 17. Acts chapter 2 does not record the first days of anything—there is no “church birthday” here. Acts chapter involves “the last days.” The “last days” of what? Israel’s prophetic program was winding down in Acts chapter 2, but God interrupted that program in Acts chapter 7 to introduce the mystery program (our Dispensation of Grace).

    6. ACTS 2 INVOLVES JESUS CHRIST BEING RAISED TO SIT ON DAVID’S THRONE.

    When the Apostle Peter preached in Acts chapter 2, notice what the Holy Spirit said through him in verses 29-31: “[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. [30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” We have no relation to David’s throne; we are Gentiles saved apart from the nation Israel (Romans 11:11-12). When the Holy Spirit moved the Apostle Paul to write to us, he wrote that Jesus Christ was raised “for our justification” (Romans 4:25)—he made no reference to David’s throne like Peter did.

    7. ACTS 2 INVOLVES A GOSPEL THAT IS NOT VALID TODAY.

    The Apostle Peter preached in Acts 2:38 when his audience asked how to be saved: “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” This is certainly a works-religion gospel, and it was valid in Israel’s program—it is problematic when people try to apply it to us because it does not belong in our dispensation. After all, Jesus Christ had said in Mark 16:16 that faith and water baptism were necessary for salvation in Israel’s program. Peter is in perfect accordance with his commission. Israel will not receive forgiveness of sins until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Acts 3:19). Jews must repent (change their mind about who Jesus Christ really was) and be water baptized in order to receive forgiveness and the Holy Spirit. When the Philippian jailer asked Paul what he must do to be saved, Paul said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31). Unlike Peter’s ministry, in Paul’s ministry, there was no reference to water baptism or repentance. We receive the Holy Spirit by trusting the Gospel of the Grace of God—Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection as sufficient payment for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 4:24-25)—and God the Father seals us with the Holy Spirit instantly (Ephesians 1:12-14). Romans 4:1-8 makes it abundantly clear that no works save us. Acts chapter 2 does not apply to us because its Gospel message does not apply to us—it is a false gospel for us and we should reject it as such (Galatians 1:6-12).

    8. ACTS 2 INVOLVES ISRAEL’S APOSTLES AND ISRAEL’S TEMPLE.

    According to some of the closing verses of Acts chapter 2, these believers continued in “the apostles’ doctrine” and were “with one accord in the temple” (verses 42,46). The “apostles” in this case are Peter, James, John, and the other nine apostles from Christ’s earthly ministry—these apostles of Israel were never sent to minister to the Church the Body of Christ (recall Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). Furthermore, temple worship has no relation to us the Church the Body of Christ because we are not under the demands of the Mosaic Law (Romans 6:14-15; Galatians 5:1-5). We believers are the Temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16), and God does not dwell in temples made with hands (Acts 17:24).

    9. ACTS 2 INVOLVES A PRE-EXISTING GROUP OF BELIEVERS.

    “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls” (Acts 2:41). The Bible says that there was a pre-existing group of believers in Acts chapter 2. It is not a new Body of Christ; Acts chapter 2 was simply a continuation of the Messianic Church that we discussed earlier. Again, there is no “birthday” of anything in Acts chapter 2.

    10. ACTS 2 INVOLVES SIGNS, MIRACLES, AND WONDERS.

    Read Acts 2:43: “And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.” Is there “fear” in local churches today because of miraculous demonstrations? “The Jews require a sign” (1 Corinthians 1:22a). Mark 16:15-20 talks about how signs were to follow those that believe in Israel’s program, and Acts chapter 2 is a confirmation (see Hebrews 2:3-4). These miracles belong with Israel, and they do not apply to us. We have something better than miracles—we have the completed Word of God, the Holy Bible (1 Corinthians 13:8-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

    11. ACTS 2 INVOLVES COMMUNAL LIVING.

    Did you ever notice the communal living found in Acts 2:44-45? Who does this today, except perhaps the cults? “[44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common; [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” These Jewish believers sold everything they had and gave the money they received to the twelve apostles for distribution to the poor (in perfect accordance with what Jesus said in Matthew 19:21-24 and Luke 12:31-34)! This was selfless, spontaneous living for the good of their fellow Jewish believers. Do you know of any Christian today who has sold all his or her possessions and given the money to a preacher or a local church? I seriously doubt it, so yet again, the Bible proves that Acts chapter 2 has nothing to do with the Church the Body of Christ.

    12. ACTS 2 INVOLVES LEGALISM.

    As we stated earlier, the Spirit of God would never lead a member of the Church the Body of Christ to be under the law (2 Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 5:18). Yet, legalism abounds in Acts chapter 2—repentance and water baptism for salvation and forgiveness (verse 38) and obeying the apostles’ doctrine in the Temple (verse 42,46). Jesus said that Israel’s 12 apostles were to preach and teach the Law (Matthew 5:17-20). We have no relation to legalism because Paul says that we are under grace, not law (Romans 6:14-15).

    CONCLUSION

    Despite what the denominationalists and religionists claim, the Church the Body of Christ did not begin in Acts chapter 2. To say that it did is to ignore all of the verses that we briefly outlined in this study. Acts chapter 2 is not our pattern; we must ignore the modern-day cries to “go back to Pentecost to get the Holy Ghost and the fire.” If we want to have God’s power and learn God’s information to us, we must go to Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon. We must leave Acts chapter 2 in Israel’s program where it belongs, or we will confuse everyone and ourselves, and make our Christian lives vain and miserable.
     
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    It means what it has always meant. A person hears the gospel, repents of their bad conduct, receives water baptism for the forgiveness of their previous sins, and they then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
     
  11. Revived

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    While my post may seem tangential or not specific to your question, by fully understanding Acts 2...meaning who is speaking and to whom, it will alleviate the uncertainty/confusion.
     
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    The audience was the crowd that affirmed to the Romans to crucify Jesus. If they had been John's disciples they would have followed Jesus upon the orders of John.
    Since water baptism of John and Jesus' disciples was the baptism of repentance unto remission of sins (Mk. 1:17) it follows that since we are followers of Jesus, that we are baptized by the authority of His name.
    By being baptized, it shows that we have repented of our past sins and Jesus will continue to forgive us of our sins if we only ask.
    These followers received the gift of the Holy Spirit when the Apostles laid hands on them we are shown by example in (Acts 8). It was not the Holy Spirit's person, but the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit. It is called Metonomy in language when not the main subject is suggested but something very closely associated to the subject.
     
  13. Guojing

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    Nice summary. Pentecostal churches like to think Acts 2 is the birth of the Body of Christ, because they want to claim the signs and wonders of Israel for themselves, especially tongues.
     
  14. Guojing

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    And I learn something new here from you. The use of ecclesia in Acts 19:32, I have not realized until you pointed this out!
     
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    Dear spiritfilledjm,
    I want to comment on some of your statements and ask you one question at the end of this post.

    You said:
    #2 and #3 Peter commanded them to be baptized because Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize. As far as why Peter said specifically in the name of Jesus Christ, again, no clue.

    There is strong evidence that Mat 28:19 was originally written as "in my name" and not "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" (I will let you do your own research if you have a mind to). For that reason, in Acts 2:38, Peter said to be baptized in Jesus name along with this very clear statement:

    Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    The name of "Jesus" is the only name whereby we can be saved. After I learned this truth many years ago, I was re-baptized in water in the name of Jesus instead of "the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as I had done earlier in my adult life. Don't misunderstand me, I agree that water baptism has never saved anyone. Only the Baptism of the Holy Spirit will save us.

    One other point on this topic: the Doctrine of the Trinity is a false doctrine. Simply put, there is only one God who is the God and Father of all that there is. At some time before this creation began, He created His only begotten Son, Jesus. Then through Jesus, this creation was made. From that perspective, it is correct to say that Jesus is our God and Creator. Just keep in mind that the Father, who is the God of Jesus and is greater than Jesus, is also our God and Creator.

    John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

    John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    1Cor 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    2Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

    Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

    Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit which He gave to Jesus and He in turn, gives to us. By having God's Spirit within us, we become "one" with the Father as Christ is "one" with the Father. In other words, we become part of God the Father's family when we have His Spirit indwelling us. It really isn't any more difficult than that.

    You said:
    It is not baptism that saves but rather faith and God's grace. Baptism is a command given by Christ and is the first command that one follows after salvation. Even though baptism does not save, I always question one who chooses to not be baptized. Do you really want your first act as a Christian to disobey a command from your Lord and Savior that you just gave your heart to?

    #6 Because Peter was saying that when they are baptized they will receive the Holy Spirit. The people's baptism had not yet taken place so therefore, they would receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized in the future, whether that was in 5 seconds or 5 years.


    As you said, water baptism does not save. Water baptism is a symbol for the spiritual baptism that must occur later if we are to be saved by Christ in this age.

    Spiritual baptism is broken down into TWO parts. You kind of hit upon this when you said "they would receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized in the future, whether that was in 5 seconds or 5 years".

    When Christ first comes to us and gives us the earnest amount of the Holy Spirit, it is at this moment that we accept Christ as our Savior and call Him "Lord". This event is called the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is the same event that Saul/Paul experienced on the Damascus Road. When this happens to an unbeliever, they are "called out from the world" and enter the "church" (the called out ones). But because the new believer is left spiritually blind and carnally minded, the new believer cannot "see" the truth of Christ. Christ remains "veiled" from them. Because of these deficiencies, Satan, who masquerades as Christ, comes to them and deceives them. He offers them his "truth" (lies) which they readily accept because it is pleasing to their carnal minds. Here is where Jesus taught this truth about our spiritual condition upon receiving the Early Rain:

    Mat 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation

    Unclean (Evil) spirits represent Satan's false truth. Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with God's truth. One "evil spirit" leaves but comes back with seven more (represents the spirit of anti-Christ) since our house remains void of God's truth. Now, instead of "one evil spirit" within us, we now have EIGHT. The number EIGHT spiritually represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, our new spiritual condition is "worse than the first". Paul calls this worsened spiritual condition the Man of Sin.

    After the new believer devolves into a Man of Sin, their deadly head wound that came from the sword of Christ at the time of the Early Rain is healed. The blow by the Sword of Christ was intended to slay their carnal nature (Old man) but because of their spiritual blindness and Satan’s deceptions, the wound is healed and their Old Man continues to live.

    Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    As a result, the believer is still represented by the Seven-Headed Beast of Revelation. In case you are unaware, the Seven Headed Beast is a symbol for mankind in our spiritually flawed and carnally minded condition. After our deadly head wound is healed, we have truly "fallen away" and become a Man of Sin who follows the ways of Satan instead of Christ. We are trying to serve two masters. This is the one and only sin (works) that leads to our spiritual death (1John 5:16). From this death, we cannot be renewed by repentance (Heb 6:4-6). It is for this reason that Christ must come to us a second time if we are going to be saved in this age. When He comes (Day of the Lord), He brings the Latter Rain of the Spirit (Baptism of the Holy Spirit), which is what the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost and what Paul received after being in Damascus for three days.

    The Doctrine of Free Will is the most common belief that causes us to "fall away". We use this false belief system to justify why unbelievers are worthy of "hell" and why we are not. We falsely believe that we must be wiser or smarter or simply less evil than those who reject Christ. And because of this belief, we take credit for making the right "choice" to accept Christ. But in truth, the credit is not ours. It was Christ's work within us that caused us to accept Him as "Lord". In our spiritually flawed and carnally minded condition we have from birth, no man will even seek to know God (Rom 3:10-11, Rom 8:7), much less accept Him as Lord.

    Scripture clearly says that unless Christ gives us the Holy Spirit, we cannot call Him "Lord".

    1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

    Only after Christ comes to us and gives us the Early Rain of the Spirit can we call Christ “Lord”. Paul’s Damascus Road experience is the part of the “pattern” (1Tim 1:16) whereby we all must follow in order to be “called out from the world”. Christ came to Paul on the Damascus Road, uninvited by Paul, and gave Paul the Early Rain. Paul had no choice in the matter as to whether to accept the Spirit or to reject the Spirit. The Spirit was given to Him and after it was, Paul fell to his knees and called Christ “Lord”.

    After a Called Out believer has “fallen away” and is no longer saved, Christ must come to them a second time with the Latter Rain of the Spirit (Baptism of the Holy Spirit). If He doesn't, they will die in their sins and receive their “portion” with the unbelievers. If the Called Out believer is one of the “few” (Mat 22:14) and has been "chosen from the foundation of the world", Christ will come to them a second time. And when He comes, He brings salvation with Him.

    Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    Christ “appeared” the first time in the flesh and took away the sins of the world on the cross. When He comes to an unbeliever with the Early Rain, He does not “appear” to them but remains hidden from their understanding (spiritual blindness). The Early Rain event is not an “appearance”, it is a visitation. When Christ comes to a Called Out believer with the Latter Rain, He “appears” to them at this time. When He comes, He fully heals their spiritual blindness and the Light of His appearing will destroy the Man of Sin whom they have become. It is at this point when the new child of God is born.

    As James says, it takes both the Early AND Latter Rain to produce a new child of God:

    Jam 5:7-8 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

    My question to you is, do you understand and accept the "Great Mystery of Christ and His church" (Eph 5:32) which I have just explained above? It is the most hidden teaching in scripture.

    When you said that we must wait on the Lord (5 secs or 5 yrs.) to spiritually baptize us after we first make our confession of faith and are water baptized, I thought that maybe you might be one of the "few" who understand this greatly hidden truth.

    Joe
     
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    And that is why I begin the BODY of Christ in Acgts 9:6 when SAUL was saved .

    Most will never see why IMPERFECT TENSE and the FUTURE TENSEs are used in Acts 2:38 and that these 2 tenses say that Israel will be set aside and Acts 28:28 , Paul turns to the Gentiles .

    And will post where Paul writes when they are being set aside .

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