And So It Continues

[Saucy]

Sorry, that story won't work. In context he says that if she gets to pick judges, then there's nothing anyone can do but the "2nd amendment people."

"So here, I just wrote this down today. Hillary wants to raise taxes -- it's a comparison. I want to lower them. Hillary wants to expand regulations, which she does bigly. Can you believe that? I will reduce them very, very substantially, could be as much as 70 to 75 percent. Hillary wants to shut down energy production. I want to expand it. Lower electric bills, folks! Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick --if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know. But I'll tell you what, that will be a horrible day, if -- if -- Hillary gets to put her judges in."

Notice that he lied again, claiming Clinton wanted to end the 2nd amendment. So it's what to do after she's elected and gets to pick judges. What could gun people do after the elections to stop her? That's what got him a visit from the Secret Service.



Clearly, he preferred to just hint at it, rather than openly call for it.



Hard to say if he was serious or not. As his harebrained claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower indicates, his mouth slips into gear well before his brain is engaged.



If a different sexual predator was talking about the same thing, and told the police that the woman didn't struggle when he walked up and grabbed her genitals, what would he police say? Right. Of course, you'll believe what you want to believe.



That's a very conservative idea; "he cheated, but it's his wife's fault!"



You should know that Trump has been accused by a female (who was 13 at the time) of raping her, and backed it up with a lawsuit. Clinton has not been so accused.

This is why you get so little respect here. Making up stories about what I said only makes it worse for you. I'm pointing out that even most conservatives don't approve attacking a wife whose husband is an adulterer. No one here said defended Bill Clinton's adulteries. And it's unfortunate that you said otherwise.

Do better, and things will go better for you.

I don't care if a few of you don't respect me. The opinions a lot of you have shared are as wrong, biased, and mean as you've claimed I'm being. That's why I'm having a difficult time trying to get you guys to open up and have a discussion. I admitted many times I could be wrong, but you guys seem to act like you're 100% right about EVERYTHING you believe, and it's not. We all got a lot of stuff wrong. ME and YOU included. All of us. You think all of my sources and news are fake and I don't even go on Breitbart. I watch Fox News, yeah, but I also watch ABCNews, read articles from numerous papers (I'm a journalism guy), and try to look at everything from both sides, not just what I want to be true.

And no, I never blamed Hillary for Bill's affairs. All I said was that she enabled him. She protected him. She lied for him. She attacked the women instead of doing the right thing and defending them. Then she gets up on stage and pretends like some kind of women's champion.

I'm not trying to make anyone 'fall in line'. I just want to see if anyone is humble enough to admit they might be wrong, that maybe they dipped a bit into a few fake news stories themselves. Any takers?

 

[JGG]

What line? I'm trying to open the door. I apologize deeply if my comments offended anyone, but I was talking about the left based upon the behavior I've seen and read about the last 5 months. If you're not part of the left, if you haven't done that stuff, then I wasn't talking about you.

Do you want a back and forth or do you just want to complain to these people you have such disdain for?

Just like not every Trump supporter is a racist bigot. I shared my heartfelt feelings of what I want and they weren't even addressed. The only comment I saw was, "So why do you support Trump then?" I felt Trump was the best candidate to handle the issues that are important to me. No, I don't think he bragged about assaulting women. I do believe he was right about Muslims celebrating and I posted more than one source for that and even saw it with my own eyes and was outright told it was a lie...how was it a lie when I SAW IT MYSELF?!

Here's more proof and I dare you to watch it. Rioting and celebrating ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. People were calling in to the Howard Stern show that morning and the next day reporting it. Eyewitness accounts. Arrests happened. How can you continue to deny this happened and say Trump is lying?

The Palestinians celebrated in the streets. They celebrated all over the world. These are all extremists? They seem like your average everyday Muslims to me. They hate Israel, so they hate the U.S.

The FBI is currently investigating ties to ISIS in literally every single state. Thousands of cases all over the country. Not just a few cases here or there, but they're spread out all over the world and our country. They are using the refugee crisis in Syria and those other 6 countries to spread throughout the world.

So why is it wrong to want better vetting? To halt things for a short time to root out who is here to kill us and who is here to work hard and take care of their family? They look awfully alike in my opinion. You can't know someone's thoughts. The neighbors of the San Bernadino couple had no clue that couple was building bombs in the garage and stocking up ammo. How many Muslims in America right now are currently building bombs and stocking up on ammo? We have no clue.

And I personally think if a terrorist attack happened under Trump's watch, that's yet another thing the left would blame him for. They'd say he didn't do a good enough job protecting this country, even though every attempt he's made was obstructed by the left. Even though we're this far in and they STILL haven't confirmed all of Trump's cabinet picks.

Alrighty then.

All I want is not to be automatically dismissed.

But in order to do that, you would have to not automatically dismiss those whose opinions are unfamiliar to you, or say "you guys all rioted and took away my freedom" or "those guys all want to throw people off of buildings."

I listen and learn.

Do you? I have not seen evidence of it.

I apologize when I need to.

Yes, I saw your "I'm sorry you were offended when I called you a nazi" 'apology'.

I've changed a few stances on Trump, like I now believe the wall is a bad idea. Buyer's remorse? Not one bit.

Good for you, I guess?

 

[JGG]

I don't care if a few of you don't respect me. The opinions a lot of you have shared are as wrong, biased, and mean as you've claimed I'm being. That's why I'm having a difficult time trying to get you guys to open up and have a discussion.

Honestly? You clearly do not want a discussion. You want us to simply fall in line. Sorry.

But you're in luck. This is a Discussion Section. Get in there and discuss.

 

[Saucy]

Honestly? You clearly do not want a discussion. You want us to simply fall in line. Sorry.

But you're in luck. This is a Discussion Section. Get in there and discuss.

Nope you're wrong. Again.

 

[Saucy]

Do you want a back and forth or do you just want to complain to these people you have such disdain for?



Alrighty then.



But in order to do that, you would have to not automatically dismiss those whose opinions are unfamiliar to you, or say "you guys all rioted and took away my freedom" or "those guys all want to throw people off of buildings."



Do you? I have not seen evidence of it.



Yes, I saw your "I'm sorry you were offended when I called you a nazi" 'apology'.



Good for you, I guess?

This is you doing exactly what you claim I'm doing. You're making up things I didn't say, putting your own spin and bias on it, and made yet more wrong assumptions. Then you turn around and say I'm doing that too. I didn't call anyone a Nazi. The only thing I said about that was 1) Tim Allen compared Hollywood to 1930s Germany and 2) Trump isn't Hitler. So, where I called you or anyone a Nazi, I don't know.

 

[Tull]

Nope you're wrong. Again.

You ask how we could come together,how do you like your answers so far ?

 

[Saucy]

You ask how we could come together,how do you like your answers so far ?

It's obvious it's not going to happen. I don't care anymore. I'm done trying. I'll just continue posting whatever and fighting for what I view to be true. I tried to open a door, but I guess I'm not allowed to disagree with them or chance getting ganged up on.

 

[rambot]

I don't care if a few of you don't respect me. The opinions a lot of you have shared are as wrong, biased, and mean as you've claimed I'm being. That's why I'm having a difficult time trying to get you guys to open up and have a discussion. I admitted many times I could be wrong, but you guys seem to act like you're 100% right about EVERYTHING you believe, and it's not.

I have, on numerous occasions admitted I've been wrong AND even that I've learned stuff from people I disagree with on this website. It just seems that some people are so desperate to see Trump be successful, they play mental gymastics to support the guy and his policies.
What would I like to see?
Something like this:
"I can't believe Trump bragged about walking in on underage girls changing and of groping them. That is just wrong. I respect that he wants to end social programs like meals on wheels because that is simply a waste of money".
People keep trying to talk about "context" to excuse things Trump says. Man, if you are going to be president, you gotta have a history of comporting yourself with some level of refinement. You have to be a walking example of the good things of America (IMHO anyways).
When he says terribly sexist things, excusing them away does absolutely nothing.

We all got a lot of stuff wrong. ME and YOU included. All of us. You think all of my sources and news are fake and I don't even go on Breitbart. I watch Fox News, yeah, but I also watch ABCNews, read articles from numerous papers (I'm a journalism guy), and try to look at everything from both sides, not just what I want to be true.

I'm not trying to make anyone 'fall in line'. I just want to see if anyone is humble enough to admit they might be wrong, that maybe they dipped a bit into a few fake news stories themselves. Any takers?

Keeping in mind, I personally feel quite able to admit when I'm wrong.


You did ask how we could come together to have a fruitful discussion. I will suggest that this may be the only way:
Every American would need to succumb to the distrust and fear that Trump supporters feel. Every American would need to think that every American that didn't fit a certain metric of "being a real American", was, in fact, NOT an American. That is the most likely way this conflict that appears to pain you so much, could be resolved.

As I see it, it is MUCH easier for people to fall into fear when there are palpable reasons to. There are TERRIBLE acts being commited in the name of Islam around the world. Terrible things. The thought that "I would never want that to happen here" is certainly one that every American shares. It would be important to note, here that, there have "statistical noise" levels of the kind of violence they fear in the US (in a country of 300,000,000 people) However, there is a segment of the population that believes that creating dialogues between groups could help.
This, however, is not what you are asking for.
You are asking people who do not have that unresolveable distrust, to agree with what you are saying unreservedly. However, what you are saying is, essentially, based on distrust and there are many people who show love to people instead of distrust.

Admittedly, that is easier than the opposite. It is easier for people fall into fear and distrust than it is to rise out of it. I fully admit that the likelihood of something I (or any democrat) would say could do anything to resolve the distrust they feel. The only way that would happen is if they got to know the spirit of the communities and people around them that cause that distrust. They have to have open and honest dialogues with Muslims around them to get a sense of why they are here, what they want, and what their penultimate goals are.
But that will never ever happen.

 

[rambot]

Yeah,well right wing terrorist would be less likely to kill me because I'm white and not a Muslim and along with leftwing snowflakes who would try to beat me up because I'm white and Trump supporter so I'll take my chances

So then you should feel TOTALLY fine in taking your chances on a Muslim terrorist.

That is, if you had any idea how statistics works.

 

[JGG]

Nope you're wrong. Again.

Am I? What section of CF have I stumbled into?

 

[JGG]

This is you doing exactly what you claim I'm doing. You're making up things I didn't say, putting your own spin and bias on it, and made yet more wrong assumptions. Then you turn around and say I'm doing that too. I didn't call anyone a Nazi. The only thing I said about that was 1) Tim Allen compared Hollywood to 1930s Germany and 2) Trump isn't Hitler. So, where I called you or anyone a Nazi, I don't know.

That's all you read? Let me ask again: What was Tim Allen meant to demonstrate? Were you condemning Tim Allen's assessment that liberals are like Nazis the way you condemned liberals assessment that Trump is Hitler? Or was it perhaps a means to complain about liberals?

 

[The Barbarian]

Here's more proof and I dare you to watch it. Rioting and celebrating ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. People were calling in to the Howard Stern show that morning and the next day reporting it. Eyewitness accounts. Arrests happened. How can you continue to deny this happened and say Trump is lying?

Because he lied.
"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."


The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."


Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.


"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."


We looked back at the record to see what we could find about American Muslim celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. While we found widely broadcast video of people in the Palestinian territories celebrating, we found no evidence to back up Trump’s description of events on American soil.

Nor is there any evidence Trump saw these events play out in any way, be it on TV or in person. We reached out to Trump’s campaign but didn’t hear back.


What we did find are many stories of Muslims living in New Jersey speaking out against the attacks and bracing themselves for anti-Muslim backlash. For example, Paterson residents put up a banner on the city’s main street that said "The Muslim Community Does Not Support Terrorism.''


Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop responded to Trump’s statement on Twitter, saying Trump "has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth."

...

Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

This defies basic logic. If thousands and thousands of people were celebrating the 9/11 attacks on American soil, many people beyond Trump would remember it. And in the 21st century, there would be video or visual evidence.

Instead, all we found were a couple of news articles that described rumors of celebrations that were either debunked or unproven.

Trump’s recollection of events in New Jersey in the hours after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks flies in the face of all the evidence we could find. We rate this statement Pants on Fire.
Fact-checking Trump's claim that thousands in New Jersey cheered when World Trade Center tumbled

Donald Trump’s widely discredited claim that Muslims in New Jersey were seen on TV cheering the 9/11 terrorist attacks — and Ben Carson’s initial support of Trump’s remarks — has resulted in even more false claims, as both candidates try to explain their statements:

• Trump doubled down on his false claim that he saw on TV “thousands and thousands” of Muslims cheering in New Jersey. He demanded an apology and cited as his support one news story about an alleged incident that was unattributed, unverified and not televised.
• Carson later clarified his remarks about 9/11, saying he was talking about news footage of Muslims celebrating overseas, not in New Jersey, and blaming the media for having an “agenda.” He’s revising history. He was asked twice if what he saw was in New Jersey, and he said “yes” both times.

It was in a Nov. 21 speech in Alabama that Trump first made his claim about Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, told his audience: “Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is.”

A day later, on ABC’s “This Week,” Trump insisted: “It did happen. I saw it. It was on television. I saw it. There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.”

There is no evidence, as others have pointed out, that thousands of people in New Jersey cheered the attacks on 9/11. PolitiFact and the Washington Post gave Trump’s claim their worst ratings.
Trump, Carson on 9/11 ‘Celebrations’

 

[JGG]

It's obvious it's not going to happen. I don't care anymore. I'm done trying. I'll just continue posting whatever and fighting for what I view to be true. I tried to open a door, but I guess I'm not allowed to disagree with them or chance getting ganged up on.

No you didn't try to open a door. You basically said "If you would just agree with me, we can all get along." That's not how it works.

I asked earlier, is there anything people on the right could do that that would make communication easier?

 

[JGG]

Double post.

 

[The Barbarian]

So you had to go back a few years

See below. That's just the biggest of them. Notice that another group was planning a weapon of mass destruction that would have killed thousands. (see below)

No doubt about it,you are safer in Canada so stay there.

Haven't been in Canada in years. Probably wouldn't matter. A rightwing Trumpet conducted a terrorist operation on a mosque and massacred some people not long ago.

Quebec mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette’s classmates say he was a white nationalist who loved President Trump
Alexandre Bissonnette "really liked Trump and had a permanent grudge against the left"
Quebec mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette’s classmates say he was a white nationalist who loved President Trump

Barbarian, on the rise of rightwing terrorism in North America:
Right wingers would perhaps prefer to kill non-whites, but when push comes to shove, they kill indiscriminately. And you are much, much more likely to be taken out by a right-wing terrorist.

Nonsense

Well, let's take a look...

“Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.

The problem is getting worse, although few outside of law enforcement know it. Multiple confidential sources notified the FBI last year that militia members have been conducting surveillance on Muslim schools, community centers and mosques in nine states for what one informant described as “operational purposes.” Informants also notified federal law enforcement that Mississippi militia extremists discussed kidnapping and beheading a Muslim, then posting a video of the decapitation on the Internet. The FBI also learned that right-wing extremists have created bogus law enforcement and diplomatic identifications, not because these radicals want to pretend to be police and ambassadors, but because they believe they hold those positions in a government they have created within the United States.
Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

Delusion is common on the left period.

But you believe that the right is not the most dangerous terrorist threat in the U.S., so...

 

[Saucy]

Because he lied.
"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."


The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."


Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.


"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."


We looked back at the record to see what we could find about American Muslim celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. While we found widely broadcast video of people in the Palestinian territories celebrating, we found no evidence to back up Trump’s description of events on American soil.

Nor is there any evidence Trump saw these events play out in any way, be it on TV or in person. We reached out to Trump’s campaign but didn’t hear back.


What we did find are many stories of Muslims living in New Jersey speaking out against the attacks and bracing themselves for anti-Muslim backlash. For example, Paterson residents put up a banner on the city’s main street that said "The Muslim Community Does Not Support Terrorism.''


Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop responded to Trump’s statement on Twitter, saying Trump "has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth."

...

Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

This defies basic logic. If thousands and thousands of people were celebrating the 9/11 attacks on American soil, many people beyond Trump would remember it. And in the 21st century, there would be video or visual evidence.

Instead, all we found were a couple of news articles that described rumors of celebrations that were either debunked or unproven.

Trump’s recollection of events in New Jersey in the hours after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks flies in the face of all the evidence we could find. We rate this statement Pants on Fire.
Fact-checking Trump's claim that thousands in New Jersey cheered when World Trade Center tumbled

Donald Trump’s widely discredited claim that Muslims in New Jersey were seen on TV cheering the 9/11 terrorist attacks — and Ben Carson’s initial support of Trump’s remarks — has resulted in even more false claims, as both candidates try to explain their statements:

• Trump doubled down on his false claim that he saw on TV “thousands and thousands” of Muslims cheering in New Jersey. He demanded an apology and cited as his support one news story about an alleged incident that was unattributed, unverified and not televised.
• Carson later clarified his remarks about 9/11, saying he was talking about news footage of Muslims celebrating overseas, not in New Jersey, and blaming the media for having an “agenda.” He’s revising history. He was asked twice if what he saw was in New Jersey, and he said “yes” both times.

It was in a Nov. 21 speech in Alabama that Trump first made his claim about Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, told his audience: “Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is.”

A day later, on ABC’s “This Week,” Trump insisted: “It did happen. I saw it. It was on television. I saw it. There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.”

There is no evidence, as others have pointed out, that thousands of people in New Jersey cheered the attacks on 9/11. PolitiFact and the Washington Post gave Trump’s claim their worst ratings.
Trump, Carson on 9/11 ‘Celebrations’

He didn't lie. I'm here saying I saw the same thing on TV. I shared two different news articles from reputible sources from sheriffs and law enforcement who said they broke up Muslims celebrations. I shared a source from the POLICE COMMISSIONER HIMSELF who verified that Trump was right.

I shared a video of MULTIPLE people calling into the Howard Stern show THAT DAY and the next day all reporting celebrations going on in...New Jersey!

Here's more proof from The Washington Post!

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

Northern New Jersey Draws Probers' Eyes

Yeah, it says 'allegedly', but it shows people saw and reported the celebration and they were detained by the police. They were seen partying up while they watched.

Ah, MORE proof from the New York Post:

Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, N.J., celebrate as they received word of the murderous attack in New York and Washington. But Mayor Giuliani (who has been tireless and magnificent in this crisis) rightly warned New Yorker-ers that is would be wrong to take their anger our on the city’s Arab and Muslim residents. Attacks on Arab-Americans in Paterson or elsewhere are utterly indefensible.

Trump Card: New Report Points To DC Media Cover-Up of 9/11 NJ Muslim Celebration - Breitbart

From Dan Rather speaking to Letterman. He says at about 12:30 in that there were many reports of celebrating on roofs across the Hudson in Jersey:

Hey, it's been 16 years. Maybe a couple details weren't 100% spot on, but when you have cops backing it up, recorded audio evidence, videos of them cheering and celebrating all over the world, there's your proof. All you need is just one of those things to make it truth. But you don't want give Trump even a single bit of ground, do you guys will keep pounding into the ground that he lied. He didn't lie.

It's YOUR sources that are either wrong or lying because they aren't willing to admit maybe Trump was right about something.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hey, it's been 16 years. Maybe a couple details weren't 100% spot on, but when you have cops backing it up, recorded audio evidence, videos of them cheering and celebrating all over the world, there's your proof. All you need is just one of those things to make it truth. But you don't want give Trump even a single bit of ground, do you guys will keep pounding into the ground that he lied. He didn't lie.

It's YOUR sources that are either wrong or lying because they aren't willing to admit maybe Trump was right about something.

Trump said thousands. There were, at most, a half dozen in Jersey City. that's more than a detail.

 

[Saucy]

Trump said thousands. There were, at most, a half dozen in Jersey City. that's more than a detail.

I'm rolling my eyes at this point. Either you're trolling me or what, I don't know. But hey, at least you admit it happened! Got that much out of you.

 

[JGG]

I'm rolling my eyes at this point. Either you're trolling me or what, I don't know. But hey, at least you admit it happened! Got that much out of you.

Are you saying for certain that there were thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City?

 

[Armoured]

I never said he had it coming. That's the part you're projecting. You're trying to paint me as a racist. I didn't equate all Muslims to the extremists. I just don't think the extremist population is as small as you think it is. It's not like with Christianity where you have a few small bands or churches of extremists and hateful people. When 9/11 happened, millions of Muslims celebrated in the streets. I saw it on the news myself. Including the thousands who Trump said he saw celebrating in the U.S., which was proven to be true. Muslims who were ALREADY HERE saw the twin towers collapse and they celebrated! They were happy! And even if they're not what we call terrorists, even more of them enslave women, force them to cover up, they're not allowed to drive or go to school. They force children into marriages at young ages. It is illegal to be gay in nearly every Muslim nation. And yet, the left, who proudly celebrates homosexuality and women's rights embrace Islam because they see Christianity as a threat to freedom and rights, not Islam.

Out of 600 Muslim-Americans polled, 25% said Jihad is okay against Americans. I know you're going to scoff at this poll, but it's legit.

With that being said, I think most people understand that there are millions of hard working, peace-loving Muslims out there. There's no doubt in my mind. They travel back and forth to help take care of their families. That's why I'm okay with a 3-month ban. It lets us figure out our vetting system. Heck, it might even become better once we take a look at it! It could let us be more secure while speeding up the vetting process with new technology and all that.

And again, I say "what are the numbers for a comparable question asked of Christians"? I imagine at least 25% of American Christians believe violence against Muslims in the US can be justified.

The poll figures are still highly questionable. We don't know the methodology for picking Muslims to ask, if it was a randomised sample, or did they poll prison inmates, or what? The question is highly slanted, too. "Can be justified", now there's a weasel phrase you could drive a truck through. I put it to you that there are very few actions that can't be justified, ever, under certain circumstances. So can violence against Americans be justified as part of a global jihad? Well, how about as a bonafide defensive action? It's not hard to think of situations where the answer would be yes, but the way the poll is presented is clearly done in such a way to make you think that these 25% of Muslims think violence against Americans is justified NOW, but that isn't actually what it says.

Try switching positions. Can you think of a situation where "violence against Americans there in the US would be justified as part of a Christian struggle?" I sure can. Does that mean I think violence is called for generally? It certainly does not. With the best will in the world, you need to be a little more cautious about information that confirms your pre-existing biases. Context is important.

I'm just saying I care more about my safety than someone being inconvenienced for an hour at the airport. If someone is pulled aside, it's because there's a good reason. They didn't look at the guy and go, "he must be a Muslim, let's pull him out." No, someone was using his name so they checked it out. I hope they continue doing that regardless of their skin color, religion, or whatever. There is NO Muslim ban.

But we're not JUST talking about someone being inconvenienced for an hour. If this was a single, individual case, well, so what? But we're talking about much more than that.

Call me cynical, but I rather suspect if you belonged to the group that was being "inconvenienced" arbitrarily, you'd be somewhat less blase about it.