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And Back to Racial Discrimination

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by Ana the Ist, Nov 8, 2021.

  1. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was on the road as a sales rep. Talking to customers, usually engineers, was great fun when they were from Iran or India. I tried to sell an Israeli made product to a Muslim. That did not go well. When God confused the languages, He made a thorough job of it.
     
  2. renniks

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    It's insane. Reverse discrimination is still racist.
     
  3. GreekOrthodox

    GreekOrthodox Psalti Chrysostom

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    I worked for an Israeli company. We could sell the US version to the Muslim countries, but our team had to get new passports if they had been in Israel so they could travel to some ME countries. That got interesting for them.
     
  4. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    How is merely offering minorities just the opportunity of an interview discrimination of any kind? They are not excluding white candidates. They are including minority and women candidates.
     
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  5. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    It’s got nothing to do with biology. If anything it’s occupational psychology.
     
  6. rturner76

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    Is it wrong for someone to say "I would like a diverse workforce to reach a diverse world?" Economics is a global game now.
     
  7. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    Where in the article does it say the criteria at the interview stage will be tiered?
     
  8. Larnievc

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    Do you understand that this is about selection for interview, not selection at interview?
     
  9. rambot

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    I guess to ensure that minorities are given a chance is now foreshadowing racism.
     
  10. stevil

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    Seems reasonable to me. Especially in a white dominated business environment where many people get job interviews due to their connections. Hence white has and retains over the years, the upper hand. Therefore needs some redress. No harm in interviewing people.

    But yet another, Oh us poor repressed whiteys thread.
    Really feel for the horrible plight of whites in USA.
     
  11. renniks

    renniks Well-Known Member

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    Were they excluded before?
     
  12. renniks

    renniks Well-Known Member

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    Selection should always been for the best qualified. Not based on race or gender.
     
  13. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t think I’d need to explain this simple concept but selecting people to see at interview (which is what happens in the article) is not the same as selecting people for the job.

    I don’t understand how you need this explained to you.
     
  14. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    No one said they were. But, the company has decided to ensure that they are not by giving incentives for hiring managers to interview minorities and women where they haven't in the past.

    Nothing in the article says otherwise. We see here again the assumption that the white male candidate must be the most qualified by default, and simply ensuring that minorities are considered is somehow discriminatory against white males.
     
  15. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    I have mixed feelings on all of this. While I agree that women and minorities need to have these opportunities, I detest having my time wasted. There are so many times when a hiring manager already knows who he or she will be hiring and/or has an internal candidate in mind, but because of some law or regulation, either company-wide or government, they are forced to interview a certain number of external candidates when they have absolutely no intention of hiring any of them.

    Now there is sometimes the rare occasion in which one of those candidates is so incredibly impressive that they manage to luck out and get the job anyway, but for the most part, it's a waste of time for both the hiring managers and the (already rejected) candidates who spend all that time in interviews and getting their hopes up.

    Also, I want to know that I got selected because of my skills and talents and what I can bring to a company rather than just because I'm a body filling a hiring quota.

    But then without the quotas, are the most qualified people often passed over due to status quo?

    Or do the most qualified people get passed over because they have to fill quotas?
     
  16. rambot

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    I know plently of people from that scenario who were then called and interviewed for a different position in that company because of the quality of their interview.
    Sure it's not THAT job, but it was a much better job for every person in that circumstance.
     
  17. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    Well that's a good point that would need to be factored in.
     
  18. renniks

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    If you are selecting people based on race for the interview you are also selecting for the job based on race. I don't understand how you need this explained to you.
     
  19. stevil

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    Yes, but many times, especial in managerial roles, candidates are found via referrals.

    The problem with referrals is that people refer on people that they know, not people that they don't know.

    White males are more likely to associate with other white males, therefore since managerial positions are predominately held by white males, referrals will tend to be for other white males.

    Women and minorities don't even get their CVs on the table, and don't even get to the interview stage.
    If you give them a leg up to that stage, it is then upto the interview panel to then decide based on the merits of the CV and the interviews.
     
  20. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    That can be a problem when prior discriminatory hiring practices have created the situation that the internal pool does not present the desired diversity.
     
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