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God Fixation · May 10, 2002

What do some of you evolutionists have against Hovind? I mean, I'm kinda curious, but if his resarch is so flawed and you are right, then how come no one has ever taken that $250,000.00 off his hands?

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

Because he has defined the terms of the contest in such a way that it is unwinnable.

Because he has a phony degree from a diploma mill.

Because he lies.

Because he does not do science.

Because it's infuriating that fundamentalists will countenance his duplicity.

edgeo · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by God Fixation
What do some of you evolutionists have against Hovind? I mean, I'm kinda curious, but if his resarch is so flawed and you are right, then how come no one has ever taken that $250,000.00 off his hands?

Kent Hovind's research? What's that? Actually, we are all simply jealous of Kent.

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by mac_philo
Because he has defined the terms of the contest in such a way that it is unwinnable.

Because he has a phony degree from a diploma mill.

Because he lies.

Because he does not do science.

Because it's infuriating that fundamentalists will countenance his duplicity.

Oh come on mac, you know better than to start 5 sentences with 'because'. lol j/k but anywho, if what you have to say is true then the truth would leak through his 'phony' reaserch. Do you understand da words that are commin outta my mouff? lol ok too much Rush Hour for me But seriously, could you give me some examples?

cjnelson · May 10, 2002

I don't agree with Kent Hovind's view of creation. I did at one time agree with his view, but that was before I started to think. Now I do agree that evolution, darwinian evolution that is, cannot explain or facilitate the kinds of changes that most evolutionists believe. But most people don't even take Kent Hovind seriously. He's good at insults and sarcasm but when it comes to providing a testable model for his view that holds up to scrutiny, he fails miserably. Just my take, God Bless.

Late_Cretaceous · May 10, 2002

Yeah, Hovind had 250K for anyone who can prove evolution to him. And I am offering 100 Million Dollars for anyone who will convince me that invisible pixies do not inhabit my garden.

Those are US$ too.

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

Of course I can't give any examples, because Kent Hovind does not do any research. It's like asking me for examples of Homer Simpson's shoddy work. Homer Simpsons doesn't *do* any work.

Kent Hovind sells VHS tapes, co-authors Jack Chick tracts, and conducts fundamentalist sing-alongs at flat-earther revivals. You're asking us for the impossible.

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Ok, let's put it this way, you said he lies. About what? Elaborate...

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

He has lied repeatedly about the content and length of his 'doctoral dissertation.'

When you write a dissertation and get your Ph.D., that's it---your thesis is your thesis.

Hovind got his Ph.D. from a diploma mill, the kind of place that paid a disreputable company for its 'accredation.' Anyway, his thesis was a piece of garbage. He has lengthened it and changed it, and now passes it off as his thesis, but doesn't let anyone have access to his real thesis.

Considering his intellectual abilities, I can see why. It'd probably be acutely embarrassing to let anyone read the real thing.

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

...
and how, may I ask, did you come about this information?

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

Somewhere on the web, so it isn't infallible. I don't have a link, and nobody would bother to debunk this clown in print.

I'm sure if you head too www.google.com and search for 'hovind dissertation liberty university creationism' or something like that you'll find it.

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Thank you I will look it up...

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

No luck, it didn't work. Any suggestions?

seebs · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by God Fixation
No luck, it didn't work. Any suggestions?

I found this fascinating page:

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

This is a pretty good summary of why people don't take Hovind seriously. I actually find some of it fairly hilarious.

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

here's what i found on google. buyer beware, i don't vouch for them:

http://home.mmcable.com/harlequin/evol/HovindLie.html
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm
http://www.skepticfriends.org/articles/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=46

this looks most comprehensive
http://www.holysmoke.org/kh.htm

here's the google search results in their entirety
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kent+hovind

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Thanks, I'm gonna go take a look....

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Well, seebs, I looked at your link. I read about the first third of it. (for time's sake) And it resembled somewhat of a PG rated smear campaign. I mean it didn't give any way of contacting those people who alegedly 'saw/read/handled' the actual dissertation itself.
I mean I could say I know someone who met aliens and conversed with them but I won't even give you his name. Now how credible does that make me look?

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

Well, be that as it may, it isn't evidence that you should have faith in hovind, is it?

Also, why would it give ways to contact them? You obviously do want to contact them, and I doubt they want to personally interact with every hovind defender out there.

but like I said, I'm agnostic about the content of any of those links, none of which I've read.

mac_philo · May 10, 2002

The other point is that you can read the dissertation of any reputable academic. It'll be available at the school where they wrote it.

Hovind's original dissertation is available to nobody.

God Fixation · May 10, 2002

Well, all of Hovinds findings have ways in which you can contact the person who experienced it or what not. I just found it odd that they couldn't provide that yet they were willing to put all of that other stuff in.

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