An example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today (discussion)

[Gregory Thompson]

In the laws contained in the first 5 books of the bible, it is mentioned at certain intervals that people must be put to death for committing particular sins.

There are also examples of characters in the scripture killing transgressors and God giving the heavenly thumbs up to their actions.

However, whenever people talk about mandatory commandments to follow - stoning people with stones or putting people to death is not regarded as a command.

I think this is an example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today.

However, for discussion kindly advise why that is. Why is mandatory law observance when being preached, is the death penalty associated not also explained as mandatory? This phrasing is part of the commands, so an answer for this has eluded me.

 

[dqhall]

In the laws contained in the first 5 books of the bible, it is mentioned at certain intervals that people must be put to death for committing particular sins.

There are also examples of characters in the scripture killing transgressors and God giving the heavenly thumbs up to their actions.

However, whenever people talk about mandatory commandments to follow - stoning people with stones or putting people to death is not regarded as a command.

I think this is an example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today.

However, for discussion kindly advise why that is. Why is mandatory law observance when being preached, is the death penalty associated not also explained as mandatory? This phrasing is part of the commands, so an answer for this has eluded me.

Laws against murder supersede Torah requirements of execution for insignificant violations.

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

Numbers 15:32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

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[Gregory Thompson]

Laws against murder supersede Torah requirements of execution for insignificant violations.

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

Numbers 15:32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

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My question however, is when someone is preaching that Christians are obligated to observe the sabbath day (for example), they do not also preach that we must stone with stones anyone who doesn't. The imperative to stone people is part of the commandment, but it is being ignored, so what does this mean?

 

[Mark Quayle]

My question however, is when someone is preaching that Christians are obligated to observe the sabbath day (for example), they do not also preach that we must stone with stones anyone who doesn't. The imperative to stone people is part of the commandment, but it is being ignored, so what does this mean?

It's rather obvious we don't live under a theocracy. And we are not Israel. Ask the Jews why they don't.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If the death penalty still applies under God's Law, then most of us would have been stoned many times over!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My question however, is when someone is preaching that Christians are obligated to observe the sabbath day (for example), they do not also preach that we must stone with stones anyone who doesn't. The imperative to stone people is part of the commandment, but it is being ignored, so what does this mean?

According to the scriptures everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scripture support here) scriptures as the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil if broken (moral wrong doing). If you knew the old testament scriptures it was not just the Sabbath commandment that people were stoned and put to death for openly breaking but everyone of God's 10 commandments.

Under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant anyone who was caught openly breaking nearly any one of God's 10 commandments were put to death. *Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Samuel 26:19; Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Leviticus 24:10-17; Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Exodus 21:17; Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 20; John 8:5; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the new covenant *Romans 6:23 Although Jesus says today in the new covenant “Vengeance is mine” at his 2nd coming *Romans 12:17-19; Revelation 22:12.

According to the scriptures, all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *Ephesians 2:8. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the fruit of God's work in us as we believe and follow God’s Word. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to the scriptures God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. God's Word says if we break any one of god's commandments we stand guilty before god of sin *James 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). According to the scriptures, God's people are in every church *John 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and traditions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *John 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a man-made tradition and teaching that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to believe and follow His Word (Acts 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31).

We need to start prayerfully studying God's Word for ourselves asking Jesus to be our guide and teacher which is a part of God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-37; John 14:26; John 16:12; John 7:17; John 8:31-32; 1 John 2:27. Jesus says the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:7-12; Revelation 17:1-5. The Christian religions of the world have fallen away from God's Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and God is calling us all out *Revelation 18:1-5 from following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:2-9 back to the pure Word of God. According to the scriptures God's sheep will hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep *John 10:26-27.

Take Care

 

[dqhall]

According to the scriptures everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scripture support here) scriptures as the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil if broken (moral wrong doing). If you knew the old testament scriptures it was not just the Sabbath commandment that people were stoned and put to death for openly breaking but everyone of God's 10 commandments.

Under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant anyone who was caught openly breaking nearly any one of God's 10 commandments were put to death. *Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Samuel 26:19; Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Leviticus 24:10-17; Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Exodus 21:17; Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 20; John 8:5; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the new covenant *Romans 6:23 Although Jesus says today in the new covenant “Vengeance is mine” at his 2nd coming *Romans 12:17-19; Revelation 22:12.

According to the scriptures, all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *Ephesians 2:8. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the fruit of God's work in us as we believe and follow God’s Word. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to the scriptures God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. God's Word says if we break any one of god's commandments we stand guilty before god of sin *James 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). According to the scriptures, God's people are in every church *John 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and traditions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *John 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a man-made tradition and teaching that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to believe and follow His Word (Acts 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31).

We need to start prayerfully studying God's Word for ourselves asking Jesus to be our guide and teacher which is a part of God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-37; John 14:26; John 16:12; John 7:17; John 8:31-32; 1 John 2:27. Jesus says the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON as fallen and God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:2-9 back to the pure Word of God. According to the scriptures God's sheep will hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep *John 10:26-27.

Take Care

People forgot, “Thou shall not kill.” They wanted to kill Jesus for working on the seventh day, but Jesus is greater than the law of Moses. Anger is against the word of God.

You no longer offer burnt animal sacrifices because we do not believe in the law. Killing animals can not make you righteous before God. God desires mercy and not sacrifice.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is an a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

A Christian emperor did away with gladiator contests to the death. This happened after people were convicted of their sins and repented.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

People forgot, “Thou shall not kill.” They wanted to kill Jesus for working on the seventh day, but Jesus is greater than the law of Moses. Anger is against the word of God.

You no longer offer burnt animal sacrifices because we do not believe in the law. Killing animals can not make you righteous before God. God desires mercy and not sacrifice.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is an a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

A Christian emperor did away with gladiator contests to the death. This happened after people were convicted of their sins and repented.

According to John we know God by believing and obeying what God's Word say *John 3:16; 18; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23. Those who say they know God but do not do what God's Word says according to John are lying and the truth is not in them *1 John 2:3-4. BABYLON is teaching us man-made teachings and traditions that have led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God *Revelation 14:8; Revelation 17:1-5; Matthew 15:2-9. Jesus is calling us out *Revelation 18:1-5 where ever we might be back to the pure Word of God *John 17:17; John 6:63, as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. If we receive a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to continue to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God according to the scriptures there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31. Fear God therefore and give glory to Him and worship Him that that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters *Revelation 14:7-12.

 

[Soyeong]

In the laws contained in the first 5 books of the bible, it is mentioned at certain intervals that people must be put to death for committing particular sins.

There are also examples of characters in the scripture killing transgressors and God giving the heavenly thumbs up to their actions.

However, whenever people talk about mandatory commandments to follow - stoning people with stones or putting people to death is not regarded as a command.

I think this is an example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today.

However, for discussion kindly advise why that is. Why is mandatory law observance when being preached, is the death penalty associated not also explained as mandatory? This phrasing is part of the commands, so an answer for this has eluded me.

Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins, so the law is still followed, but he has paid the penalty instead of us, so that is a bad example. However, if a law can't be followed, then that's no big deal, we should still be faithful to obey as much as much as we can of the laws that can be followed. The Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so there is nothing wrong with having laws that can't currently be followed. Likewise, the Israelites has laws in regard to temple practice that weren't followed after the destruction of the 1st temple that were once against followed after the construction of the 2nd temple that were once again not followed after the destruction of the 2nd temple, so again, there is nothing wrong with not following laws that can't be followed. When the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to God's law, which required them to have access to the temple, which had been destroyed, so again, when there are laws that can't be followed we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can of the laws that can be followed.

 

[Hezekiah81]

In the laws contained in the first 5 books of the bible, it is mentioned at certain intervals that people must be put to death for committing particular sins.

There are also examples of characters in the scripture killing transgressors and God giving the heavenly thumbs up to their actions.

However, whenever people talk about mandatory commandments to follow - stoning people with stones or putting people to death is not regarded as a command.

I think this is an example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today.

However, for discussion kindly advise why that is. Why is mandatory law observance when being preached, is the death penalty associated not also explained as mandatory? This phrasing is part of the commands, so an answer for this has eluded me.

Haven't you heard Jesus Christ paid our death penalty and your not under the condemnation of the law if Christ's Spirit indeed dwells in you.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

According to the scriptures everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scripture support here) scriptures as the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil if broken (moral wrong doing). If you knew the old testament scriptures it was not just the Sabbath commandment that people were stoned and put to death for openly breaking but everyone of God's 10 commandments.

Under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant anyone who was caught openly breaking nearly any one of God's 10 commandments were put to death. *Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Samuel 26:19; Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Leviticus 24:10-17; Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Exodus 21:17; Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 20; John 8:5; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the new covenant *Romans 6:23 Although Jesus says today in the new covenant “Vengeance is mine” at his 2nd coming *Romans 12:17-19; Revelation 22:12.

According to the scriptures, all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *Ephesians 2:8. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the fruit of God's work in us as we believe and follow God’s Word. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to the scriptures God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. God's Word says if we break any one of god's commandments we stand guilty before god of sin *James 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). According to the scriptures, God's people are in every church *John 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and traditions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *John 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a man-made tradition and teaching that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to believe and follow His Word (Acts 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31).

We need to start prayerfully studying God's Word for ourselves asking Jesus to be our guide and teacher which is a part of God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-37; John 14:26; John 16:12; John 7:17; John 8:31-32; 1 John 2:27. Jesus says the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON as fallen and God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:2-9 back to the pure Word of God. According to the scriptures God's sheep will hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep *John 10:26-27.

Take Care

So you're mitigating that to "civil law" so if one part of the law can be cultural and not need to be followed, the same with the whole law.

Since Jesus repeated the main points in His messages, the law as written is no longer required. Even under Roman occupation, the Jews would routinely pick up stones to stone Jesus or the Woman caught in Adultery. This gives a snippet of the cultural tradition that in other circumstances where Jesus was not present those people would have been stoned without a civil trial.

So it is apparent that the commandments of Jesus, and the commandments of the law are two separate things. Since the commandments of Jesus do not have a death penalty.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's rather obvious we don't live under a theocracy. And we are not Israel. Ask the Jews why they don't.

If the death penalty still applies under God's Law, then most of us would have been stoned many times over!

It is written in Deuteronomy that anyone who does not follow the whole law is cursed, this makes it quite evident that attempting to observe any of the law is a fool hardy endeavor.

Best to follow what Jesus said instead.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can of the laws that can be followed.

“Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!” (Deuteronomy 27:26

This illustrates how you are picking and choosing what to follow, and I would counsel against this in regards to the law in particular so you do not receive a curse.

 

[dqhall]

Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins, so the law is still followed, but he has paid the penalty instead of us, so that is a bad example. However, if a law can't be followed, then that's no big deal, we should still be faithful to obey as much as much as we can of the laws that can be followed. The Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so there is nothing wrong with having laws that can't currently be followed. Likewise, the Israelites has laws in regard to temple practice that weren't followed after the destruction of the 1st temple that were once against followed after the construction of the 2nd temple that were once again not followed after the destruction of the 2nd temple, so again, there is nothing wrong with not following laws that can't be followed. When the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to God's law, which required them to have access to the temple, which had been destroyed, so again, when there are laws that can't be followed we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can of the laws that can be followed.

Do you not believe the law that requires a woman be quarantined seven days during her period? It seems to be a law from man, not God. It is in the Bible. Some sects observe these things to this day. A group of Torah following Samaritans in the West Bank separate a woman from family and community for seven days during her period.

Leviticus 15
19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.

21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.

24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

25 And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean.

26 Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation.

27 And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

28 But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.

29 And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

30 And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the Lord for the issue of her uncleanness.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Do you not believe the law that requires a woman be quarantined seven days during her period? It seems to be a law from man, not God. It is in the Bible. ....

It sounds more like from God than man to me. Who wouldn’t want a week every month off to be with the girls and away from the pressure of household.

 

[dqhall]

It sounds more like from God than man to me. Who wouldn’t want a week every month off to be with the girls and away from the pressure of household.

They are on different cycles, some women clean, some unclean. It would destroy job opportunities unless they work from home. The Samaritan women are not allowed in the same room as their children during their monthly period. Some Orthodox Jewish sects observe Talmudic law.

There is a Talmudic tractate written about these observances called Niddah. Some of the Talmud was from the time of Jesus or earlier.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

They are on different cycles, some women clean, some unclean. It would destroy job opportunities unless they work from home. The Samaritan women are not allowed in the same room as their children during their monthly period. Some Orthodox Jewish sects observe Talmudic law.

There is a Talmudic tractate written about these observances called Niddah. Some of the Talmud was from the time of Jesus or earlier.

Scientific fact that friends mental cycles tend to coincide. And the confinement was to a certain house in the encampment iirc. But my comment was that it sounded like a Godly law, not manmade, because His laws are always for the people’s good. Whether that be old law based, which is what that is, to NT, which it is not, so my interest terminates there.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you're mitigating that to "civil law" so if one part of the law can be cultural and not need to be followed, the same with the whole law.

According to the scriptures already posted the death penalty for openly and publically breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments was for everyone of God's 10 commandments under the old covenant laws and not restricted solely to God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath like you were claiming earlier. This was to teach God's people that the wages of sin is death just the same as it is under the new covenant to those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *see Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Since Jesus repeated the main points in His messages, the law as written is no longer required. Even under Roman occupation, the Jews would routinely pick up stones to stone Jesus or the Woman caught in Adultery. This gives a snippet of the cultural tradition that in other circumstances where Jesus was not present those people would have been stoned without a civil trial. So it is apparent that the commandments of Jesus, and the commandments of the law are two separate things. Since the commandments of Jesus do not have a death penalty.

What Jesus actually said was....Matthew 5:17-20 [17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

According to the scriptures in the old covenant the Scribes and the Pharisees reason for bringing the women caught into adultery was to find an excuse to kill him *John 8:2-6 because if Jesus answered do not stone her these religious teachers would have accused him of breaking Roman law as Israel was occupied by Roman authority and law. If Jesus answered don't stone here these religious teachers would have accused Jesus of breaking the law of Moses and forsaking old covenant law. According to the scriptures the Scribes and Pharisees, brought to him the woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the middle, they say to him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. For someone to be put to death under the old covenant laws there needed to be two or three witnesses *Deuteronomy 17:6; Deuteronomy 19:15. They went on speaking to Jesus and said "Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what say you? After Jesus spent some time writing in the sand He said to them.. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Then they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the oldest, even to the last *John 8:2-9.

According to the scriptures as shown above, Jesus in His response was upholding the law not breaking the law. Keep in mind at that time that was old covenant law given to the nation of Israel not new covenant law given to God's true Israel born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise by faith that works by love. According to the scriptures, and as shown by Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. This is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who have been born again *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-36 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments *Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following Gods Word *Romans 14:23 and those who are born again into God's new covenant promise to not practice sin (breaking Gods' law) *1 John 3:6-9. John says that sin (breaking God's commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Take Care.

 

[dqhall]

Scientific fact that friends mental cycles tend to coincide. And the confinement was to a certain house in the encampment iirc. But my comment was that it sounded like a Godly law, not manmade, because His laws are always for the people’s good. Whether that be old law based, which is what that is, to NT, which it is not, so my interest terminates there.

If she is out sick seven days a month, she will not find a good paying job. She would have never become a vice president observing that law, more likely a housewife domestic servant.

 

[Soyeong]

“Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!” (Deuteronomy 27:26

This illustrates how you are picking and choosing what to follow, and I would counsel against this in regards to the law in particular so you do not receive a curse.

Even when the law was first given, there was now a single person who was required to obey every single law, and not even Jesus kept the laws in regard to having a period or to giving birth. Some laws were only for the King, High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, those who are married, those who have servants, those with animals, those with crops, those with tzaraat, those living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them, while others were given to everyone. A large portion of the laws were only given to govern the conduct of the Levitical priesthood, which only Levites were permitted to obey, so is nothing wrong with other Israelites not following those laws, and this is not what Deuteronomy 27:26 is referring to. It is not saying that everyone is under a curse because men can't follow the laws for woman and women can't follow the laws for men. It is not picking and choosing to have a legitimate reason for not following a law, such as that it can't be followed, but rather picking and choosing is referring to illegitimate reasons for someone choosing which laws to follow based upon whether or not they want to follow them, such as someone choosing to follow 9/10 of the Ten Commandments, but not following the Sabbath because they don't want to follow it. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is based upon picking a mountain and climbing it, about choosing whether to follow God or to chase after other gods, not based upon them not following law that they can't be followed. Everyone being under God's curse does not reflect the reality of what is recorded about those who served God, just those who chased after other gods.