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An ex-Muslim discusses Islam and also some differences with Christianity.

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by xpower, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. xpower

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    Ridvan Aydemir, aka The Apostate Prophet, is a writer for Pam Geller's anti-Islamic propaganda site, the Geller Report. He makes quite a bit of money promoting anti-Islamic propaganda. Therefore, the truth isn't his motivator, making money is.

    Below is a link to a free course I highly recommend for those who are interested in learning about the differences between Christianity and Islam and more importantly, how the similarities between the two religions can open doors to sharing the gospel with Muslims.

    The Gospel and Islam - TVSEMINARY Trinity Video Seminary
     
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    There is nothing wrong with being anti-Islamic. Opposing Muhammad is good.
     
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    I agree, Islam is a false religion started by a false prophet, but there is no need to spread misinformation and make false statements while opposing it which is what the man in those videos does.
     
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    Nothing in these videos is wrong. The Apostate Prophet was raised in Islam and was a Muslim. HE has studied the quran, the hadith and the history of Islam.
     
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    David Wood and Acts 17 Apologetics also make quite a bit of money spreading anti-Islamic propaganda. We as followers of Christ should be certain that the information we share with others is truthful and honest. I suggest you take the course I recommended in my earlier post and you will easily be able to spot the errors the individuals in the videos you are sharing are making.
     
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    Apostate Prophet and Acts17Apologetics: "Muhammad was a conquering warlord who killed, enslaved and raped girls and women. And also told his followers to do so as well, to spread Islam"

    JosephZ: "Stop spreading the truth about Muhammad and his wicked religion"





    Political Islam
     
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    How would you know? Where does your knowledge of Islam primarily come from?

    Does that automatically make him incapable of intentionally spreading misinformation and falsehoods? Did you know that the business of spreading anti-Islamic propaganda is a big business in the post 9/11 era? A person claiming to be an ex-Muslim who parrots anti-Islamic propaganda can make a big name for themselves and earn a large income in this day and age.

    If you take the time to do the research you will find that people like David Wood, Bill Warner, and "ex Muslims" like Ridvan Aydemir, Walid Shoebat, and Rachid Hammami to name a few have made a lot of money exploiting non-Muslims in the west's ignorance of Islam.

    I hope you will take the time to take the course I recommended (It's free :)). Better yet, ask a Muslim in your community to watch a few of these videos with you and allow them to explain where they are in error. After all, nothing can substitute learning about what Islam teaches and what Muslims actually believe than talking to real Muslims.

    It really hurts the Christian witness to Muslims when so many Christians, like many of those making these videos claim to be, are slandering the religion that Muslims follow. If we want Muslims to come to know Christ, then we need to be Christlike in our everyday behavior. We are literally called to be ambassadors of the Truth, so we need to be sure what we share with other is always truthful. If we are in doubt if something is true or not, it's best not to say anything at all.
     
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    That description doesn't sound much different than Christopher Columbus does it? Except Columbus and his men were committing these same atrocities while conquering new lands for Christianity.
     
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    Christopher Columbus killed, raped, and enslaved??? Where do you get that from?
     
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    The Journals of Columbus and those who traveled with him document these atrocities. Here are a few links that sum them up pretty well.

    FACT CHECK: Did Christopher Columbus Seize, Sell, and Export Sex Slaves?
    Mutilation and Other Carnage: War Crimes Committed by Columbus - IndianCountryToday.com
    8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day - IndianCountryToday.com

    If you look into other explorers like Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Ponce de León you will find that they too committed mass atrocities in their quest to settle new territories and Christianize the populations.
     
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    And Catholic priests are raping boys, but that doesn't mean they are Christian. In fact, it's evidence they are not.
     
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    The quran, the hadith and the history of Islam.
     
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    Christopher Columbus also did not claim to be a prophet and did not start a religion built on war, enslavement, rape and tyranny.


    Muhammad direct command are to forcefully convert non-muslims, and if they refuse, to kill them. Just like he did. Muhammad is the central figure in Islam and he was an Evil person. The complete opposite of Jesus.
     
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    Thank you for sharing this video as it supports the point I was trying to make in my post. As the narrator of this video says, what Columbus did was bad and lead to mass murder, he then went on to say that the actions of Cortes and other "Christian" explorers, including the United States, whose intent was to settle new territories and Christianize the populations; were even worse.

    This quote near the end of the video sums things up pretty well:

    "Was he [Columbus] a good guy? No. Was he a bad guy? If we look at him through the historical lens, not really, what he was doing wasn't any worse than anyone else. But if we hold him up to modern standards, then yes he was a pretty bad guy."

    I hope now you will apply this same method of judgement when you criticize others who lived in the past. We always have to look at what was the norm for the period of time an individual lived in to make a proper assessment of their behavior.

    For example, if we look at Muhammad and his actions through a historical lens, while they appear bad by our modern perspective, were normal for the point in history that he lived. In other words, he was no worse than anyone else who was in a position of leadership in his day. So when you said "Muhammad was a conquering warlord who killed, enslaved and raped girls and women. And also told his followers to do so as well," That's pretty much what everyone was doing back then regardless of what religion they followed or were trying to push on others. Even marrying children as young as 9 years old wasn't unusual and was practiced by Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike in Muhammad's day.

    If this is where your knowledge of Islam comes from, how do you explain the 99.99% of Muslims in the world who don't come to the same conclusions about this religion as you do? Why would so many people today continue converting to a religion that teaches the things you think that it does?

    If Islam taught and was anything like what is claimed in those videos you posted, the entire world would be in chaos, Islam would be looked upon the same as Nazism rather than praised by historians and world leaders as one of the world's great religions, few if any people would voluntarily become a Muslim, and it certainly wouldn't be the second largest religion in the world today with close to 2 billion followers.
     
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