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American Teachers Resign Over Oddly Similar Circumstances...

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Ana the Ist, Aug 14, 2021.

  1. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    See, I provided evidence. Plenty of it. You asked for it. We see CRT IS being taught in schools.

    And we fully expect progressives to defend it as a good thing because they believe in it. We see it as a bad thing and have provided lots of reasons why. Even teachers who are being asked to teach it are saying things.

    So now that we've come to the understanding it IS being taught, we can continue the conversation on why it should or should not be taught.
     
  2. rjs330

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  3. rjs330

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    Why is it always aimed at white kids? It's not just the fact that we all have biases. We do. Some prefer blondes to brunettes. Some prefer short to tall. So what?

    CRT is directly aimed at white kids. You don't see teaching on how much blacks kids have racist thoughts. Or American Indian kids have racist thoughts. No, it's always aimed at white people.

    Rather than teaching kids to be kind and generous to everyone, CRT is teaching kids that white people are racist and are the bad people in the world and that's why black kids can't get ahead.

    It's indoctrination. That's why you now have people and places desiring to separate people based on race. Because whites are bad and can't be trusted.
     
  4. rjs330

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    It's because CRT teaches that if you say you aren't, that's just further evidence you are.

    You are a racist if you are white. If you say you are not, that is proof you are racist.
     
  5. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    Oh, is that all it takes? You just drop a bunch links and call it evidence? OK

    What is critical race theory? Is it really taught in schools?

    What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

    Why are states banning critical race theory?

    Head of teachers union says critical race theory isn't taught in schools, vows to defend "honest history"


    There you go. Proof it is not taught in schools.

    Believe in what? CRT? CRT is a process used to look at things. There is nothing there to believe in.


    As has been clearly shown, it is not being taught in schools. Perhaps you would care to look at what IS being taught in schools and we can discuss if we see it as positive or negative?
     
  6. rjs330

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    I told you would ignore the evidence. I'm not surprised. I am sure the CRT is not being taught in every school in the nation. But I have provided evidence as has Ana that it is being taught in schools. Even NEA has admitted that. Why won't you?

    I think I see what the issue is. You think CRT is ONLY about the process of a way at looking at things. A strictly clinical look. But that's not what is happening. It's been explained to you and proof and evidence has been shown you that what is being taught goes far beyond a clinical analysis.

    That's why people are upset. As you have seen even from this thread and the teaching of racial bias to children. That's part of the CRT teaching in schools.

    Becoming Upended: Teaching and Learning about Race and Racism with Young Children and Their Families

    Are you going to continue to ignore it? Cause if you are, I guess we are done with the conversation because you have turned a blind eye to the truth of what is going on.

    1. Ignoring teachers
    2. Ignoring curriculum presented to you.
    4. Ignoring the White House support of it in schools
    5. Ignoring the NEA
     
  7. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Duplicate
     
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  8. rjs330

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    What should be taught in schools is kindness to one another regardless of our differences. When someone suffers, suffer with them. When someone is happy, be happy with them. Forgive each other when we do something wrong. Be humble, patient with each other. Show compassion and be courteous.

    Recognize we are all different, have different backgrounds and experiences and that's okay. Just be good to each other regardless.

    It's not that hard. You don't have to teach kids they are a bunch of white racists whether they know it or not.
     
  9. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    Saying "OK, what of this do you wish to discuss" is not ignoring it. It is engaging with it directly. So are you actually going to respond?

    Because as my links clearly showed, it is not being taught in schools. Shall we talk about what IS being taught in school to see if we agree or disagree with it?
    Then it is not CRT.
    Can we agree that what is being taught is not CRT but is, as is pointed out in several of the articles I linked, racial concepts some conservatives find objectionable, such as white privilege, systemic inequality? These are not CRT but are tangentialy related.
     
  10. Belk

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    We should teach those things. We can also teach other things because just teaching those things has not worked so far.
     
  11. rjs330

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    Is the above being taught in schools?
     
  12. rjs330

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    No your link did not claim it was not being taught in schools. It claimed it was not being taught is some schools. My links prove it IS being taught in schools. So you are ignoring that it is being taught in schools.

    What you are saying is that because something isn't happening in one place therefore it's not happening anywhere. It would be like saying, there were no BLM riots in Boise Idaho, therefore there were no riots anywhere.

    So will you admit it is being taught is schools. At least admit it is being taught in some schools and I'm some school districts. You won't be admitting it is being taught in all schools.

    Cause I will admit it is not being taught in all schools.
     
  13. Belk

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    Is what CRT recognizes being taught in school? Not to my knowledge. I fail to see the relevance though since the list is factually incorrect.

    For reference: What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

    Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.

    The basic tenets of critical race theory, or CRT, emerged out of a framework for legal analysis in the late 1970s and early 1980s created by legal scholars Derrick Bell, Kimberlé Crenshaw, and Richard Delgado, among others.

    This academic understanding of critical race theory differs from representation in recent popular books and, especially, from its portrayal by critics—often, though not exclusively, conservative Republicans. Critics charge that the theory leads to negative dynamics, such as a focus on group identity over universal, shared traits; divides people into “oppressed” and “oppressor” groups; and urges intolerance.

    Thus, there is a good deal of confusion over what CRT means, as well as its relationship to other terms, like “anti-racism” and “social justice,” with which it is often conflated.
     
  14. Belk

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    Hmmm... I disagree but I think you might be correct in that our fundamental disagreement is on what CRT is, can we agree on that?
     
  15. rjs330

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    Then is it your contention that CRT has been coopted?
     
  16. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    It is my contention that CRT is much different then it is made out to be and is not where you should be directing your energy. I think that there is a valid case to be made that progressives have gone too far in their views on race. But if you direct your ire at the wrong target the message will be lost in the confusion.
     
  17. variant

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    That's an interesting discussion, but we can certainly agree that we won't be able to correct a bias if it remains unconscious.

    I simply disagree that children are not ready to discuss the biases that they are absolutely forming out loud. This IS about teaching a value, treating people fairly and thinking about WHY we make the judgements we do.

    This seems to me to be a good thing to bring up as part of teaching children critical thinking in general which I am always for.
     
  18. variant

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    CRT is actually a collegiate idea.

    The idea that it is being purposefully taught to children as CRT is generally wrong. Some parts have made their way into influencing what we teach to children.

    The current craze that we are teaching a college level analysis of racial/power sociological systems comes mostly from right wing propaganda.
     
  19. Pommer

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    It’s gone from “is our children learning?” to “they’re learning ‘the wrong things’!” In what? 16 years?

    Progess!
     
  20. Bradskii

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    How many people actually know that Pythagoras was a Marxist? Maybe the sum of the squares on the hypotenuse isn't equal to the sum of the squares on adjacent sides. But no, the left is determined that our children treat all sides equally!
     
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