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Ok, thank you for the source. I see that. It won't open for me for some reason, though. This was definitely a First Amendment case. I'm sure they don't take too many of those without payment. They were fined an insane $135,000.
The fine was not for the discrimination, there was/is no fine in the statute for not baking a cake. The fine was for things like posting the full text of the complaint on Facebook, without redacting personal information about the complainants. Between constantly going online complaining about how "evil" this couple was, particularly for forcing them to court and having the lesbian couples name and address posted, the court found this caused severe harassment of the couple. The harassment and death threats were so bad, the lesbian couple had to leave their home and go live with Rachel's mother in Washington state and the FBI became involved in the investigation of the death threats.
The lesbian couple have two children and they were in the process of trying to adopt, both children apparently with special needs. They couple feared the negative attention would slow or prevent the adoption process, as well as some articles claim there was a concerted effort by those harassing the couple to get the children removed from the lesbian's -- with at least one article I saw claiming the Klein's supported (at least verbally) that effort.
The page got shut down by Go Fund me because of pro-gay bias. This wasn't a "sexual crime". That's nuts.
I'm only finding $109,000 was raised before being shut down on gofundme. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/sweetcakes-melissa-snubbed-gofundme-gets-new-crowd/
Yes, GoFundMe shut down their appeal for money but the Klein's did get all the money paid at the time the campaign ended. My recollection is that GoFundMe claimed they ended the campaign because the do not allow people to raise money to pay legal fines; at that point the Klein's had just been fined and were urging people to donate to help them pay that fine. Regardless, GoFundMe paid the Klein's all the money donated to that point.
I did find this: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/14/sweet-cakes-melissa-crowdfunder-breaks-record-352k/
So apparently another crowdfund site raised more money for them.
Yes, after they were dropped by GoFundMe they moved their fundraising campaign to Samaritan's Purse. As your article states, they got $352,000 on that site in two months, and were continuing to fundraise. Add that to the $109,000 they got from GoFundMe, plus a few more months on Samaritan's Purse, it isn't hard to see they got at least $500,000.
From the article:
"The Oregon labor commissioner ordered the Kleins to pay $135,000 to a lesbian couple for “emotional damages” to Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer after declining to prepare a cake for their June 2013 commitment ceremony.
Mr. Klein had informed the couple that he was sorry but that the bakery did not prepare cakes for same-sex ceremonies as a result of the family’s religious convictions. Gay marriage was not legal in Oregon at the time."
Give me a break on "emotional damages" because they were not able to compel the Christian couple to create a wedding cake for a non-wedding. It wasn't even legal in the state. Wow.
I do agree wholeheartedly with this statement, which is completely Constitutionally grounded:
“Every American should be free to live and work according to their faith without the government punishing them for doing so.”
As I mentioned above, the fine was not for the discrimination, it was because of the harassment the lesbian couple faced, both from the Klein's releasing the gay couples home address as well as keeping the case in the news as they continued to try and garner support.
Additionally, I think the free speech claim is quite weak. In this case, as soon as the bakery heard it was for the wedding of two women, the bakery refused. There was no talk about what the cake would look like -- they may have wanted a wedding cake that was little different from cakes the bakery had made previously.
Edit: I fixed a couple of bad quote tags.
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