America is Gone

[JohnDB]

Ok,
While everyone focuses on vote counts for the presidency....

Some other ballot measures went forward and have passed that nobody is paying attention to. These things are going to fundamentally change America. And not in positive ways.

The Electoral College was set up so that the huge coastal cities wouldn't have all the voice in governance and that the rural areas that provides the backbone of the cities have an equal voice.

It's gone.
Colorado passes resolution to throw state's electoral votes to popular-vote winner

The PAC money that the Republicans voted in favor of a decade or so ago (can't remember) has been a way that a handful of people are influencing elections. Bloomberg with 100 million dollars....over 1.5 billion dollars spent by a handful of people to change Election outcomes?
Sheeple have been bought...not all, but enough to matter.

The narcotics that plague our nation and fund out terrorist enemies are now legal in Oregon with the huge docks in Portland....drugs are going to flow through there like a river.
Oregon leads the way in decriminalizing hard drugs

It's not like metric tons of marijuana is not flowing into every state whether legal or not. Now heroin and meth and cocaine is going to flow as well.

Then comes Puerto Rico.
The gangs and Union thugs are in control.
There is no infrastructure any longer. Power, water, roads and sanitation systems are all on life support. None are in very stable shape. The little agriculture there is just about gone. Since the infrastructure is gone the tourism is also toast.
They just requested to please become a state to leech off the American taxpayers more. This is going to be very very expensive. Another failed government looking to the federal government for a bailout.

It's over...it's gone.
RIP America.

It might be moving about like a zombie...but it's over and dead.

 

[dzheremi]

If anything has 'killed' America, it's the histrionics of people who cannot handle things not going how they'd like them to.

 

[Elliewaves]

So you'll be moving then?

 

[Halbhh]

The narcotics that plague our nation and fund out terrorist enemies are now legal in Oregon with the huge docks in Portland....drugs are going to flow through there like a river.
Oregon leads the way in decriminalizing hard drugs

That's interesting.

One of the surprising and interesting things I learned a couple months back when watching an inside-Portland-violence-and-groups video (I'll post it below) is that one of the sides, which became very prominent in the in the news later in a Presidential debate, had a person growing marijuana.

Now, I don't use marijuana in any form, and never have, but I'd not condemn it more than alcohol (I don't want to be a hypocrite, having drunk some alcohol in small amounts a few times a year), though marijuana is a little worse it seems, easy to abuse. Of course more people abuse alcohol, but that's a different topic.

Anyway, here's the video from Portland, and early on you'll see the marijuana growing part..... It's interesting.

Highly recommended (and I'd say that about very few videos that ever get posted that aren't music):

 

[tturt]

JohnDB i understand what you're saying. Knew we were in poor shape spiritually but (no matter who wins) realize now we're a lot worse off than I had thought.

 

[NerdGirl]

Ok,
While everyone focuses on vote counts for the presidency....

Some other ballot measures went forward and have passed that nobody is paying attention to. These things are going to fundamentally change America. And not in positive ways.

The Electoral College was set up so that the huge coastal cities wouldn't have all the voice in governance and that the rural areas that provides the backbone of the cities have an equal voice.

It's gone.
Colorado passes resolution to throw state's electoral votes to popular-vote winner

The PAC money that the Republicans voted in favor of a decade or so ago (can't remember) has been a way that a handful of people are influencing elections. Bloomberg with 100 million dollars....over 1.5 billion dollars spent by a handful of people to change Election outcomes?
Sheeple have been bought...not all, but enough to matter.

The narcotics that plague our nation and fund out terrorist enemies are now legal in Oregon with the huge docks in Portland....drugs are going to flow through there like a river.
Oregon leads the way in decriminalizing hard drugs

It's not like metric tons of marijuana is not flowing into every state whether legal or not. Now heroin and meth and cocaine is going to flow as well.

Then comes Puerto Rico.
The gangs and Union thugs are in control.
There is no infrastructure any longer. Power, water, roads and sanitation systems are all on life support. None are in very stable shape. The little agriculture there is just about gone. Since the infrastructure is gone the tourism is also toast.
They just requested to please become a state to leech off the American taxpayers more. This is going to be very very expensive. Another failed government looking to the federal government for a bailout.

It's over...it's gone.
RIP America.

It might be moving about like a zombie...but it's over and dead.

America is under heavy attack, yes. But it's not over. It's not gone.

Keep your head up <3

 

[Albion]

Ok,
While everyone focuses on vote counts for the presidency....

Some other ballot measures went forward and have passed that nobody is paying attention to. These things are going to fundamentally change America. And not in positive ways.

That's true.

The Electoral College was set up so that the huge coastal cities wouldn't have all the voice in governance and that the rural areas that provides the backbone of the cities have an equal voice.

It's gone.

Not quite. That proposal to sidestep the Electoral College still needs to get the support of more states,m and it looks to be unconstitutional.

The PAC money that the Republicans voted in favor of a decade or so ago (can't remember) has been a way that a handful of people are influencing elections. Bloomberg with 100 million dollars....over 1.5 billion dollars spent by a handful of people to change Election outcomes?

Yes. It's fascinating how the Democrats have complained about and promised to challenge the Supreme Court ruling allowing unlimited private contributions, but now in 2020 they spent the Republican under the table, spending almost twice as much on the campaign...and much of it from the "millionaires and billionaires" they love to say are the mainstays of the Republican Party.

 

[JohnDB]

America is under heavy attack, yes. But it's not over. It's not gone.

Keep your head up <3

And exactly how is it going to survive this mess?
What the founding fathers laid out has been destroyed by a few.

The large cities are going to run roughshod over the rural areas. (Their voice gone)
Drug addicts driving stoned and not following rules of the road destroying decent citizens lives.
The few elitists controlling who actually gets to run for office so it's a choice of wrong or worse.
All the while the Government taxes are going to have to increase to pay for Puerto Rico. There won't be any money for national defense. Our enemies will be able to destroy us at will.

 

[pdudgeon]

So you'll be moving then?

very possibly.

 

[JohnDB]

That's true.


Not quite. That proposal to sidestep the Electoral College still needs to get the support of more states,m and it looks to be unconstitutional.


Yes. It's fascinating how the Democrats have complained about and promised to challenge the Supreme Court ruling allowing unlimited private contributions, but now in 2020 they spent the Republican under the table, spending almost twice as much on the campaign...and much of it from the "millionaires and billionaires" they love to say are the mainstays of the Republican Party.

15 states have similar laws...
Out of the 51.
But I'm expecting many more soon.

 

[JohnDB]

very possibly.

If any of Christiandom wanted to start a Palestinian style destabilization to take over an area somewhere in the world I'm all ears.

 

[NerdGirl]

And exactly how is it going to survive this mess?
What the founding fathers laid out has been destroyed by a few.

The large cities are going to run roughshod over the rural areas. (Their voice gone)
Drug addicts driving stoned and not following rules of the road destroying decent citizens lives.
The few elitists controlling who actually gets to run for office so it's a choice of wrong or worse.
All the while the Government taxes are going to have to increase to pay for Puerto Rico. There won't be any money for national defense. Our enemies will be able to destroy us at will.

I don't believe all of that will happen.

I'm sorry to see you feeling such despair.

There are still millions of Patriots here who are upholding what the Founding Fathers stood for. I hope you'll find new hope and new determination to fight alongside us. *hugs*

 

[Albion]

15 states have similar laws...
Out of the 51.
But I'm expecting many more soon.

Well, you may be right about others coming along soon. The big money boys who put the Colorado referendum over the top with misleading advertising will probably turn their attention to this issue now, but it does have a ways to go still.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

15 states have similar laws...
Out of the 51.
But I'm expecting many more soon.

It will be ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS as it's sure to end up there.

You can't disqualify the state's election results by forcing the electoral votes to go toward the national popular vote winner.

Imagine your state voted for candidate A, but candidate B won the popular vote. Your state's electoral votes now go to candidate B, thereby disqualifying your election results.

 

[Albion]

...and let's clarify that a little bit more, Jim. The result is that your state's electors--the people you actually vote for when you mark your ballot for either Trump or Biden--will be required to vote in the Electoral College for the other candidate, the one who lost the popular vote in your/their state.

 

[PloverWing]

Then comes Puerto Rico.
The gangs and Union thugs are in control.
There is no infrastructure any longer. Power, water, roads and sanitation systems are all on life support. None are in very stable shape. The little agriculture there is just about gone. Since the infrastructure is gone the tourism is also toast.
They just requested to please become a state to leech off the American taxpayers more. This is going to be very very expensive. Another failed government looking to the federal government for a bailout.

Hey, thanks, I completely missed the news about Puerto Rico's statehood referendum. It's about time they got full statehood.

Given that they are an American territory, their "failed government" is our government. If they can get statehood, and representation in Congress, perhaps they can get their federal government to pay more attention to the infrastructure needs of the American citizens who live there.

 

[Lord Give Me A Sign]

Romans 1:18-32

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[JohnDB]

It will be ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS as it's sure to end up there.

You can't disqualify the state's election results by forcing the electoral votes to go toward the national popular vote winner.

Imagine your state voted for candidate A, but candidate B won the popular vote. Your state's electoral votes now go to candidate B, thereby disqualifying your election results.

That's exactly what has been voted into place...
Colorado and the other 15 states have given up their voice. It wasn't taken...is was bought and paid for by PAC money

 

[JohnDB]

Hey, thanks, I completely missed the news about Puerto Rico's statehood referendum. It's about time they got full statehood.

Given that they are an American territory, their "failed government" is our government. If they can get statehood, and representation in Congress, perhaps they can get their federal government to pay more attention to the infrastructure needs of the American citizens who live there.

Territories are treated differently than states.
They are mostly self sufficient and are left mostly to their own devices for their governance. But they also don't get Gubberment checks either.
We do provide for their military defense. So no one can take over the territory.
The citizens are American citizens.

But completely building an infrastructure in a completely corrupt environment is something else.
Think Tijuana. Ever been?
How about Afghanistan?
How well did we do there?

Same thing in Puerto Rico.

 

[PloverWing]

Territories are treated differently than states.
They are mostly self sufficient and are left mostly to their own devices for their governance. But they also don't get Gubberment checks either.
We do provide for their military defense. So no one can take over the territory.
The citizens are American citizens.

But completely building an infrastructure in a completely corrupt environment is something else.
Think Tijuana. Ever been?
How about Afghanistan?
How well did we do there?

Same thing in Puerto Rico.

Mexico and Afghanistan are foreign countries. Puerto Rico is part of the United States -- a territory, but it's the US's direct responsibility in a way that Mexico is not.

When Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey, there was federal funding to help our coastal areas rebuild. That's appropriate, because the US government should be helping US citizens (else what is the government there for?). When hurricanes hit Puerto Rico, as they frequently do, there should be similar federal assistance for rebuilding, because they're American citizens too. I'm hoping that if Puerto Rico does achieve statehood, it will clarify that the US government has the same responsibility to Puerto Rico that it does to New Jersey.