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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Jan 2, 2002.

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  1. rollinTHUNDER

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    Things are happening in the world that are quite frightening. But you are right, we need to be strong, and be bold.
     
  3. Stephanie

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    And I also think that many more things will happen that makes the Twin Towers seem so minimal. It was devestating, and the loss of life is terrible, but I think it will get so much worse.

    Love in Christ
     
  4. truthseeker

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    I agree with you rollin THUNDER >>> Almost 100%. I will convice you shortly that there's no rapture out of this! -smiles-

    On Sept. 11th >>> The Lord gave me Ezekiel 27:28 thru 28:19. I think this was NYC and what is happening now.
    LOL
     
  5. MarkS

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    Friends,
    The bible says in 1Thess 5:
    But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    It is wonderful to see the Children of God discerning the times knowing that our Redemption draws near.

    God Bless you All, and we will soon see each other on That Awesome day!

     
  6. Yauming

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    After re-reading my message. i wasn't very happy with the tone of my reply to Rolling Thunder. It was too hostile and not Christ-like. So I am going to delete part of it.

    YM
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    Hello RollingThunder,

    (part of post deleted on Jan 26)

    At the moment, Russia is more keen to neutralize Israel's Arab enemies; not to mention Russia's trade rivarly with Opec.

    I don't think many people are surprised that the Arabs are terrorist supporters. They have been incapable of operating a modern army for the last 300 years. They are often no better than bandits who run around, kill auxillary forces, and cream off enemy supply routes. The Arab nations recent attempts to destroy Israel has been all rather pathetic. They seldom cooperate, they never seem to learn from their mistakes, and they are pretty sore losers afterwards. Instead of sitting back and evaluating their mistakes, or trying to meet with some compromise with Israel, the Arabs simply go into a "Death to Israel" chant. They can't win on conventional war, they won't accept defeat, so the Arabs fall back on terrorism. "Kill a Jew a day and make the state of Israel go away" seems to be their motto. Its more the pity that the Western world and in particular the Western press do not see the dilemma that the Israelis are facing.

    Having said that, the UN military actions may point to similar actions against Israel in the future. Don't get me wrong, I like the UN. They have done good things in the past - they passed the resolution that created the State of Israel, and UN forces also helped to defend South Korea in the 1950 war against the North Korean and China communists armies.

    But for the USN to turn on Israel, the US and Britain has to be taken out of the UN equation though. Maybe the rapture will push that along? [​IMG]
     
  7. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello Yauming,
    You ask very good questions. You also made some very good points. I believe the way I do because the Lord spoke to me when I was reading my Bible on Sept. 20th, early in the morning. This was the first time that he talked to me in ten years, and only the third time ever. I posted this experience on another Forum, and it became a very hot topic. 965 people read it in less than 36 hrs. The title was "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS". I think it became so hot because so many people are asking why America is not in the Bible, especially in these last days. Well, He told me what would happen to America, and it really opened my eyes. I was thinking of asking you if I could post it here, but I see that one of the rules is not making long posts. It would be about three times longer than my post (America Beware-Christian Be Ready). I think it would really be a blessing for some lost souls if you let me post it, and it would also answer the questions you have just asked me..>>>>>>>rollinTHUNDER
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hey Yauming,
    Are you still around? I'm still waiting on your reply.>>>>>>>rollinTHUNDER
     
  9. Yauming

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    Well Rolling Thunder, its good that God spoke to you about America. However, I would consider what He said in prayer and fasting and think over the matter deeply, like Paul, before posting your message.

    Why should the twin towers fall? Let's not spiritualize the issue. The most logical answer to this lies not so much in the spiritual but in the natural. America's national security within its own borders is poor: its lax immigration and security laws enabled dedicated terrorists to hiijack the planes and crash them into the buildings. There is also another issue about rights of immigrants

    If someone slipped on a banana skin in his kitchen - was it Satan's plan or was his carelessness to blame?

    Your comments about the rapture, the end of the days, the twin towers and victorious Israel, is confusing. I'm sorry but try to be a little bit more logical in your post.

    I would post the link to the site where you posted the message.

    Cheers,

    YM

    BTW, I posted this same message before the change over- looks like it got swallowed up in Area51.

     
  10. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello Yauming,
    I actually wrote this after "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS?". The reason I posted this one first, is because I was not sure if the rules would allow me to post the long one. There is also a third one coming. I'm just waiting for someone to ask the right question before I post it. I should realize that this forum is much slower than I'm used to. Not many fish biting yet.

    Now- to answer your question about Why the towers were meant to fall. I remember when Clinton was running for President. He was twisting the scriptures around to deceive the people. A wolf in sheeps clothing, and a proven liar at that, good riddens. I was thinking, if this man becomes our next President, this country is doomed. For years and years I couldn't understand why God would let him win the election, but it's clear as day now.

    He is one of them, a globalist, and lover of the New World Order. He dismantled the FBI and the CIA. These towers wouldn't have come down before Clinton, because our secret Intelligence gathering capabilities were too strong then. He would have not only sold his soul, but the entire nations as well. Why did it have to be those buildings you ask? This was not just about the U.S. economy. The people that were killed in those buildings were from 80 countries around the world, probably from all the Stock Markets around the globe. It was not just the American Economy that was attacked- it was the Worlds Economy. Rockefeller built the World Trade Center. Do you know who he is. You guessed it, he is one of the richest leaders that is pushing for this One World Government. I believe that God used this to start moving certain nations into place, first this coalition against the terrorists, and then after the rapture, the terrorists with Russia to come against Israel. God knows what He is doing. This was no accident. God is going to catch Satan in his own little trap..>>>>>>rollinTHUNDER
     
  11. Yauming

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    (I did a re-re-read of the posts. In my hubris, I made a mistake- I misquoted RT. Nowhere did he say "God's little trap." I apologize for the mistake. I leave this erronous post below. And I will delete this post if RT wants me too.)


    I read your message Rolling Thunder. But what of the NY police and firefighters and many of the other innocent people who were in the WTC buildings? Which part did they play in "God's little trap" ?

    Look at the obvious before speculating on the supernatural. An Islamic terrorist organization who hates the global world system and America wants to bring it down. That's the fact. As for your thesis that God wanted the WTC towers to fall to setback globalization, I doubt it.

    The One World government+New World Order=Anti-Christ agenda theory has been going around for a very long time. And before that, there were the Communist takeover, and before that Hitler was the anti-Christ, then the League of Nations, .....and further back the godless Italians... the Mongols... the Vikings hordes.... the Roman Caesers etc.

    Instead of obesessing about who the anti-Christ is, Christians - even in America - should be active in becoming a global force - helping the poor in the Third World Countries - setting up schools for good technical education, helping the rights of the poor, helping to create jobs for the poor. If they did, perhaps more Muslims would see the love of Christ and be converted.

    "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ..."
    (2 Corinthians 4:4)

    Why are they blinded? Is the god of this age more powerful than the Gospel that we preach? No. What is wrong then?

    It is because Christians have failed Jesus' prayer -
    "May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." John 17:23

    While Christians fuss, argue, bicker and fight amongst themselves, the real battle is fought and won but not by Christians.
     
  12. rollinTHUNDER

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  13. israelthebride

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    ] Matthew 24:45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the MASTER has put in charge of the servants in HIS HOUSE to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose MASTER finds him doing so when HE returns. 47 I tell you the truth, HE will put him in charge of all HIS POSSESSIONs. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, `My MASTER is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The MASTER of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect HIM and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 HE will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    LORD GOD ELOHIM is in charge. HE KNOWs what HE is DOing. In fact, HE KNOWs tha name of every fly in the world, even the ones in New York City.
    No one, and I mean no one, is at the wrong place at the wrong time. ELOHIM KNOWs all our minds and what we are thinking. Everyone is on time.

    Where one chooses to "be" by HOLY SPIRIT, during that time, is still up to that one.

    I AM so amazed at how the world is doing what it is supposed to and, interestingly, on ELOHIM's timing. I AM, also, amazed at how many people sit back and watch the world doing it's "tricks" instead of

    John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are MY DISCIPLEs, if you love one another."

    Not the feeling we call "love", but HIS LOVE.
    WE treat each other right and good
    no matter what WE think
    no matter what WE feel.
    That is HIS LOVE in US.

    I would recommend, that WE accept HIS SALVATION, fully and completely, and stop watching
    and start DOing what HIS WORD (Genesis to Revelation) says to do.

    John 6:28 Then they asked HIM, "What must we do to do the works ELOHIM requires?"
    29 YESHUA answered, "The work of ELOHIM is this: to believe in the ONE HE has sent."

    YESHUA is the HEAD of HIS ONE!!!
    WE are the BODY of HIS ONE!!![/
     
  14. sbbqb7n16

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    To me it seems as if Yauming is looking at what exactly happens and what earthy motives are involved behind them. RollingThunder seems to be more concerned with how it fits into God's plan.

    The firefighters I believe show a great example of love to all.
    John 15:13-"Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends"
    Did the firefighters not lay down their lives for others, let alone friends?

    Eloheim is still in controll, it's not like He woke up-looked down-and said "OH NO!! What has happened??" Is the God who flooded the world becuase of evil not above 2 towers falling??

    Obviously the minds of man look through things in answer to "why" as in "why did the terrorists do that? what was their purpose?" when the mind of God looks at things in the "how can God be glorified through this? How does this bring about His prophecies?" When you look at the obvious, look at them in the supernatural as well. Ask for the Holy Spirit to reveal to you the mind of God as well as His purpose through it all (1 Corinthians 2:11)

    God bless you all- and happy WORD searching!!
     
  15. KenOGar24

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    The storm is coming...Amen to what you said, Rollin'. We are to be useful to God while we're here and seek His will not our own, but we are also told to "watch and pray, for we know not the hour when the LORD shall come". Our greatest hope is Christ's return and the end of the age. What joy it brings to see prophecy being fulfilled and further prophetic fulfillment immenent (joy not at the suffering that is happening and will happen, but joy that we will soon see Jesus. Whether He comes back tomorrow or in 100 years, our joy is His return).

    Even so, come Lord Jesus

    :D :) ;) :p :eek:
     
  16. KenOGar24

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    How can we, who are spiritual, look at world events and reason as the rest of the world - by what is obvious? Anyone can see the obvious but "our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

    Any unbeliever who watches the news sees the obvious.
     
  17. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello KenOGar24,
    I just finished answering your PM.
    Here is a clue about that next topic. The same verse you used in your post above is used in my next topic to come. The one you asked about. Out of all the verses in the Bible, it's very strange that you would have to pick that one, that's funny. I bet your hot on the trail now...>>>>>>>rollinTHUNDER
     
  18. kingskid

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    The towers were not a trap from God but a trap from satan.

    Through the free will of men this tragedy has occured. The Lord did allow it... just as He allows free will all along.

    satan has already lost...his fury is great because he knows his time is short.

    Praise God!
     
  19. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello kingskid,
    You hit the nail right on the head. I was just misquoted. But you are right in your observence. God never planned this evil. I said that, " He allowed Satan to catch himself in his own trap ".
     
  20. TheBear

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    I'm not sure about this theory. Tens of thousands of civilian lives were lost when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. And, although the circumstances were different, the results were the same.....countless innocent lives lost, massive property damage, destroyed infrastructure and major economic setback.

    John
     
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