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Amazed at the level of illogical thinking by Trump followers.

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Bible Highlighter, Nov 20, 2020.

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  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I normally don't discuss politiics on the forums. But this is an event in history that cannot go ignored. No president in US history has openly admitted voter fraud before the election starts two times and continually challenges the election results as being illegitimate without any solid evidence and places at threat our very democracy and stokes the fires of division here in America. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there was no mass voter fraud on the level that Trump is claiming. Sure, I am open to the possibility to minor discrepancies involving voter fraud, but on the level Trump is claiming is just nonsense. They have no evidence, and thus their cases are getting thrown out of court.

    Now, if this was just Trump and his paid lawyers (seeking the love of money), then I would say this is not as bad, but the real problem here is that Trump's followers believe him. They actually believe him when he said there is mass voter fraud. This is just insane and speaks of the times we are in. Folks have completely lost all irrational thought. I watched a video with some kids within these crazy football like parades and they said that the election of Joe Biden is a fraud (Note: I cannot find the video). Anyways, I remember on a street corner a few months back a bunch of kids screaming masks don't work. I could not help but to roll my eyes, and shake my head of how dumb they were. People are not thinking rationally these days.

    Even Trump's own head cyber guy was fired because he did not say the right words Trump wanted to hear in regards to the voting process. This just says that Trump is making stuff up, and he simply is in denial of Biden being the next president come January 20th at 12:00PM (Lord willing). People cannot see that he is lying to them. It's so obvious. It's common sense.

    Side Note:

    While I am not exactly a Democrat fan, I believe all things happen for a reason, and I can now see that Biden will help the nation to heal if people want to get their lives back to normal again instead of living in a divided nation and throwing hatred at one another. Trump has stoked the fires of hatred and division as his last great act as president. May the Lord have mercy on his soul.
     
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  2. Albion

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    There also has never been a presidential election that appeared so clearly to have been stolen, either.

    If you are worried about "threats to our very democracy," etc. worry also about the effect upon it of permitting a stolen election and/or not allowing even an investigation into the evidence.
     
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  3. Belk

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    But that is just it, Albion. I have seen no evidence that makes me think it was stolen. Every indication I have from international election monitors, internal election monitors, and the US court system appears to me that this is no different then any other election. We are not just saying this because of a partisan divide, we truly do not see any evidence.
     
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  4. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    How clearly? No widespread fraud has been found. And no evidence has come forward on that, no matter what Trump supporters say.

    At this point, Trump has lost, and there is not much he can do to reverse that unless they throw out valid votes against him. Which is what most of the suits are about.
     
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  5. Albion

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    That is just...what?

    The fact that you personally haven't seen any of the evidence doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Did you expect that someone was going to deliver it to your door?
     
  6. ViaCrucis

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    This. This is why we say that Trump and his supporters are attacking the very basic institutions of American democracy. It is, at the very least, establishing a horrible, horrible precedent that will have ramifications in the years to come.

    The peaceful transition of power is a cornerstone of our republic. Without it, our democracy does not exist. And right now there are people actively attempting to subvert that.

    It has nothing to do with partisanship. It has everything to do with the basic integrity of democracy upon which this republic was founded.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  7. Albion

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    You don't know that.
     
  8. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Okay, if widespread fraud has been found, where is it? Because without any evidence, it's just a baseless claim.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    And why isn’t Giuliani showing it to the judges?
     
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  10. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I see claims of fraud. But that is all they are, claims. Everything looked at has not panned out so far, and the claims are getting wilder and wilder.

    This latest claim about the election software is crazy, and I don't think it will be backed up. At the very least they should be giving what evidence they have to the individual state election officials so they can check their software. They are not even doing that, they are just claiming fraud in the millions and not even recognizing how ridiculous it sounds.
     
  11. JackRT

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    And a lot of judges throwing Trump's cases out of court are his own appointees. And While Biden was busy "stealing" the Presidency why didn't he bother "stealing" the Senate and the House as well?
     
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  12. Belk

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    Yes! I expect if there is fraud to see it shouted from the rooftops by the agencies designed to monitor for it. I expect the news agencies to be blaring about it 24/7 just like they do every other major news development. Do you honestly believe that if there was fraud people like myself, someone who has a different political view but still swore an oath to put my life on the line for my country, would simply sit idly by?

    We do not see evidence of fraud. It looks exactly like we would expect if there was no fraud. How are we supposed to believe there is fraud when there has been no evidence presented? If there is fraud I expect those who claim there is fraud to actually be able to present a case.
     
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  13. Albion

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    Russia Russia Russia was believed without any evidence for four years, and there never was any such evidence; but now "Where's the evidence? There is no evidence." said right on cue when referring to the 2020 election is supposed to be credible only days after the election. What a joke.
     
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    The was plenty of evidence which not only convinced the Mueller team, but a Republican-led Senate committee as well.
     
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  15. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Look. Buddy. Trump fired his own cyber chief because he said there was no mass voter fraud going on. Is Trump a cyber expert? Does he know more than him involving cyber issues? If he did, then he would have corrected him and shown his cyber chief the evidence before his public statement. It's obvious Trump fired him because the president is denial of his loss.

    ALSO, Trump said there was voter fraud with Hillary. You cannot cry wolf multiple times and expect people to believe you. It's common sense. Your not thinking clearly. I mean, do I like certain policies that Trump supports? Oh yes. Most definitely. I am a Christian and I am against abortion, but I am also against Trump's open hatred of people and his causing division here in America between the Red and the Blue. That is what he is doing until his last day in office. He will seek to divide our country based on his not wanting to give up his own power. The power has went to his head, and he does not want to let it go. People are mindless and stupid when they support his claims of mass voter fraud.

    I mean, lets just say mass voter fraud was true (Which it is not). Any good president that cannot actually prove there is any actual voter fraud in court with substantial evidence should just bow out and let it go so as not to divide the nation all the more than it is divided. The damage Trump is doing is beyond imagining right now, and your just not seeing it.
     
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    He also accused Ted Cruz of fraud in the Iowa caucus, which is funny considering how much of sycophant Cruz is for him these days.
     
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  17. Albion

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    I said:
    Stop and think of the ridiculousness of that boast. You and I do not know the specifics of the evidence in cases being investigated or prosecuted by the local county officials, but all of us here are supposed to have been briefed personally by all the legal teams, by the president, by all the elections officials across the nation when it comes to the presidential election!

    It's nonsense.

    But if it makes anyone feel good to exchange such meaningless chatter with people of a similar purpose, go ahead. I guess it's permitted.
     
  18. Strathos

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    Did you read the report?

     
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    Trump started claiming fraud before a single vote was counted.

    The claims regarding fraud from the Trump administration don't even make sense. If the claim is "Dominion voting machines switched 2.7 million votes" (as Trump has claimed), why are they wasting the courts time with nonsense about access of poll watchers (which were, in fact, allowed, just not at the distance that those watchers wanted)?

    The only reason we are seeing so many claims of fraud is because Trump is essentially telling his supporters "there is fraud, find it and bring it to me!" so they're working under the premise that "there is fraud" and trying to find something - anything - to make Trump's claim true.

    Edit: People are being paid $25K to allege fraud. There's massive incentive for people to assert fraud in this election, over and above loyalty to Trump.
     
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  20. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Look, we both know that come January 20th, at noon, if the rule of Law is followed (and Biden is still healthy and able by God's grace to take office), then he will become the next President of the United States. Why? Because if there was substantial evidence of MASS voter fraud (not isolated small cases), then the courts would not dismiss him so easily. Evidence speaks volumes. But let's say your right about MASS voter fraud and corruption in the court systems involving this issue (Which is not true), the chances of him winning in the courts and proving such a thing is highly unlikely and he should as a good president do what is best for our country to unite it and not to divide it. He should know when to cut his losses and move on. There is no chance of him winning at this point. For he has already lost. But he is seeking to fight a losing battle and hurt America as his last great act as President.
     
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