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Featured Islam Allah is based on moon worship?

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by mathinspiration, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    You're quoting Gail Riplinger? Oh dear, Riplinger wouldn't know the truth if she walked through wild truths during the truth mating season. She is a liar.
     
  2. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Least we both know where we stand - opposite sides. You're always welcome to come on over to this side, but God forbid! I ever come to yours.
     
  3. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    Technically, Christianity is a heresy of Judaism, taking the concept of "the Messiah" and elevating a human to divinity.

    There are examples of "new" religions, which are not or only marginally based on previous religious systems... but the majority of religions take existing systems, adapt them and proclaim that they now have found and corrected the mistakes of their predecessors.
     
  4. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    I have studied her writings for many years. Indeed, I have a 40 odd page document dealing with her deliberate mis-truths in her book "Hazardous Materials." She is a liar.
     
  5. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Did you send it to her personally so she could consider, as the Bible said you should, instead of parading it on the internet? If not, you are not doing the Christian thing.

    I have her book Hazardous Materials, and read it. Did you read it? It's on my shelf right here.
     
  6. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    Yes, Yes and Yes.
     
  7. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Ok.
     
  8. Vicomte13

    Vicomte13 Well-Known Member

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    Not really, no. Nor more than "Easter" has anything to do with Ishtar. The human mind likes to find patterns and see links, even when what they see as a pattern is, in fact, a coincidence. Unfortunately, once people invest emotional energy into believing they see a link between things, they get really stubborn about it.

    Truth is, Islam is a monotheistic religion that is largely based on the Christianity of Byzantium, which neighbored Arab lands, and with which Mohammed not only traded, but about which he heard from some of the women in his life.

    The Muslims are MILITANTLY monotheistic, like the angry prophets of the Old Testament. They consider the Christian Trinity to be blasphemous polytheism, because it presumes to put a man and a spirit on a par with God. It is better to understand Islam as an extreme form of the Arian Heresy than to try to make something pagan out of it. It is not pagan, it is what Arian Christianity would be if Joshua and Jeremiah were at its head, and its laity were made up of Southern Baptists: there is no doubt expressed at any level of Islam, and Muslims will point to their book and tell you "Believe that" - as though simply willing one's self to believe anything were possible. (I say this becaus Christians do exactly the same thing and, likewise, pretend that belief is possible by just asserting that one believes.)

    Islam is best understood as the proselytizing twin of Judaism, that unlike Judaism is not tribal based but, like Christianity, is based on a universal call to mankind. The Christian part of it is the leavening that makes Jesus the greatest prophet and teacher. Sunni Islam is "sola Scriptura" with the Koran, while Shiite Islam is Catholicism, centered on the Grand Ayatollah, descendant of Mohammed. Angels, demons, etc.

    It's not paganism. They condemn followers of moon gods and the like. It's an extreme form of the Arian Heresy, proselytizing Judaism.
     
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  9. Dkh587

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    Be ye not deceived: Muslims do not worship the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob

    The god of Islam is not the God & Father of Jesus Christ
     
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  10. DawnStar

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    Wait a minute. His source is Gail Riplinger? That is hilarious.
     
  11. tampasteve

    tampasteve Lutheran Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    This is probably one of the best explanations I have read on the subject. Thank you for this! I think it puts a lot of the history and beliefs into a language that most Christians can believe.
     
  12. Godistruth1

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    They worshipped Allah but also said the statues get them close to Allah

    Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.
    Verse (39:3)
     
  13. Godistruth1

    Godistruth1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What he said is the right information
     
  14. Godistruth1

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    The God of Abraham was not Jesus. Abraham or Moses never prayed to Jesus
     
  15. RayJeena

    RayJeena When life gives you demons, make demonade. Supporter

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    Since there's only one God (at least that's what I believe as a
    monotheist), there can be only one God to worship.

    Now, there may be differing perspectives on that one God, but
    that's a whole 'nother ball o' wax.
     
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  16. Vicomte13

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    I should mention that the REASON the Muslims use the star and crescent moon symbol on their flags has nothing to do with their religion. That was the Greek symbol of the city of Constantinople, the symbol that flew above the city (the called Byzantium) from about 200 BC forward.

    When Mohammed rode around Arabia in the 600s, he didn't use that symbol. The Arab armies that overran the Holy Land and North Africa and Spain didn't use that symbol.

    It was only when the Ottoman Turks closed in and took Constantinople in 1453 AD that the Turkish Sultan adopted the Star and Crescent, symbol of Constantinople - the greatest city in the world at the time - as the symbol of the empire. It was a signal of pride: We conquered it! Now WE are the rulers of Constantinople.

    Since the Ottoman Caliphate was a theocracy that ruled the entirety of Western Muslim lands (Persia, Shiite Islam, was a different place), the star and crescent came to flew over all of the Islamic world west of Persia, because it was all ruled by the Turks.

    So, to be very clear, that Star and Crescent symbol has nothing whatever to do with the Islamic religion. Rather, the whole of Islamic lands West of Persia were once ruled by the Turks, they were ruled FROM Istanbul, which had been Byzantine Constantinople, and the Turks had adopted the symbol OF Byzantium as THEIR heraldic banner BECAUSE they conquered it and were proud of that fact.

    Efforts to read pagan moon worship into the flag of the Islamic nations is just ignorance. That's not on there because the Muslims are moon-worshiping pagans. It's on their because they conquered the world's greatest city, the "Minas Tirith" of their age, and adopted IT'S ancient symbol as their own, out of pride and to wave their conquest in the face of all.

    That's the truth.

    So when you read ignorant sermons by ignorant pastors raving about the star and crescent as proof of Muslim paganism, wince in embarrassment for them. That symbol was the symbol of the greatest city in Christendom for 1600 years. One could just as easily say that the Eastern Orthodox are moon worshipers because their greatest city, center of their patriarchate, had a moon and star symbol.

    In other words: no.
     
  17. Vicomte13

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    True. But they prayed (and pray) to Jesus' God.
     
  18. PaulCyp1

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    Allah is not associated with worship of anyone or anything other than Himself, because His first commandment is "Thou shalt worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve". Worship of anyone or anything other than Allah is idolatry.
     
  19. Dkh587

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    Did I say they did? Your response has nothing to do with what I said.

    But while we're at it, Abraham nor Moses definitely never prayed to the false god of Islam.
     
  20. ViaCrucis

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    Nope. This is a oft-repeated false statement rooted in anti-Muslim polemics.

    Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God". In Arabic the generic word for "god" is illah, related to other Semitic words such as Hebrew eloah and Aramaic elaha/alaha. The definite article in Arabic is the prefix "al-", and so al-illah = allah means "the god". In English we typically don't use the definite article in this way, instead we capitalize the word and make it a proper noun--"God".

    As such Jews and Christians who speak Arabic have always used "Allah" to refer to God, because that's simply the Arabic word for "God".

    For example, here is an ancient Christian hymn known as the Trisagion (Greek: "Thrice-Holy")

    English: "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us."
    Greek: "Hagios ho Theos, Hagios Ischyros, Hagios Athanatos, eleison himas."
    Arabic: "Quddūsun Allāh, Quddūsun al-qawī, Quddūsun alladhī lā yamūt urḥamnā."

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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