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Featured Islam Allah is based on moon worship?

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by mathinspiration, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. mathinspiration

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    Some Christian pastor told me that Allah is associated with moon worship and Diana, Isis and other female pagan goddesses? Is there any proof of it?
     
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    And YHWH was a mountain top god of war. Judaism and Islam and Christianity have evolved over the ages.
     
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    What do Arabic speaking Christians call God? Allah
     
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  5. DaisyDay

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    No, that's basic ignorance. It is pretty obviously and historically based on Judeo-Christian tradition.

    Their calendar is based on the lunar cycle, the new moon marking the beginning of certain periods.
     
  6. dreadnought

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    I doubt it.
     
  7. DawnStar

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    Yes. It is just the Arabic name for the same God we worship. Those that tell you differently most likely are anti-everything except their own agenda.
     
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    Islam is technically a Christian heresy, taking Christianity as its starting point and then denying the divinity of Christ.
     
  9. The7thColporteur

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    Look up the word, "Jahiliyyah". It's in their own history, their own writings. Look up the deities they worshipped. You may begin by reading actual study here, from official Islamic authentic sources - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-of-the-desert-matthew-24-24-26-kjb.8058098/

    Have you personally read their sources? I have, see below.

    From the paleo-historical sources, and archeological records and their own materials. 'Allah' was a pagan moon god [hence the crescent moon [and fallen 8 pointed star] of Islam, the baal-hadad], that already existed before Muhammad [Abu al Qasim] was ever born, set up around the Kaa'ba [and hence Allah is the “Lord of the House [Kaa'ba]” [Surah Quraysh 106:1-4], and thus its Black Stone], and its 360 other gods.

    In fact, Allah had three 'daughters' [the three intermediary cranes who took the ascending prayers up to heaven, also mentioned directly in the Qur'an and Islamic sources, Qur'an, Ibn Ishaq, etc.], [1] Al-Lat [female form of Al-Lah], [2] Al-Uzza [in fact others, like Waraqa bin Naufal were of the line in which a person was named after this daughter, as – 'Abdu'l-'Uzza; see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad, page 68; paragraph 100-101] and [3] Manat, the third, the other and others like 'Hubal', 'Isaf' and 'Na'ila' [see Ibn Ishaq's Life of Muhammad, page 67; paragraph 98].

    Qasim's [Muhammad, supposed [but cannot be, 4 years discrepancy, which is why Islamic sources say a woman's pregnancy can last from several months to 4-5,6 years, see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad, pages 69-70; paragraphs 102-103, etc]] father, was 'Abdullah bin 'Abdu'l-Muttalib [see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad], whose name means “slave of Allah” [thus Allah already existed as a pagan god, or pagan god's name], and also already existed before Muhammad, along with the war cry “Allah Ahkbar!” [Allah is greater ... [not]].

    'Abdu'l-Muttalib, a pagan polytheist, prayed to the Allah of the Kaa'ba, all the while standing next to Hubal [the idol] at the Kaa'ba, casting arrows [divining], intending to sacrifice his son, next to the many other idols, named already.

    Thus, “Allah” was already known and worshipped by the pagan Arabs [even by Muhammad's own tribe, the Quraish] in the so-called time of 'ignorance' [called “Jahiliya”, “times/days of ignorance”], along with other “partners” [like the daughters], and this is directly stated in the Qur'an itself:

    Surah Al An'am 6:107-109, 135-137 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... [v.107] Had Allah willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them nor are you a Wakil (disposer of affairs, guardian, trustee) over them. [v.108] And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.[1] [v.109] And they swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe therein. Say: “Signs are but with Allah and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they will not believe?” … … [v.135] Say (O Muhammad): “O my people! Work according to you way, surely, I too am working (in my way), and you will come to know for which of us will be the (happy) end in the Hereafter. Certainly the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) will not be successful.” [v.136] And they assign to Allah a share of the tilth and cattle which he has created, and they say: “This is for Allah according to their claim, and this is for our (Allah's so-called) partners.” But the share of their (Allah's so-called) “partners” reaches not Allah, while the share of Allah reaches their (Allah's so-called) “partners”! Evil is the way they judge! [v.137] And so to many of the Mushrikun (polytheists – see V.2:105) their (Allah's so-called) “partners” have made fair-seeming the killing of their children, in order to lead them to their own destruction and cause confusion in their religion. And if Allah had willed, they would not have done so. So leave them alone with their fabrications. ...”​

    Surah Al Ra'd 13:16 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... Say (O Muhammad): “Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Have you then taken (for worship) Auliya' (protectors) other then Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Is the blind equal to light? Or do they assign to Allah partners who created the like of His creation, so that the creation (which they made and His creation) seemed alike to them?” Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things; and He is the One, the Irresistible.” ...”​

    Surah Al Nahl 16:38 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths, that Allah will not raise up him who dies. Yes, (He will raise them up), – a promise (binding) upon Him in truth, but most of mankind know not. ...”​

    Surah Al Isra' 17:67 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allah Alone). But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away (from Him). And man is ever ungrateful[1]. ...”​

    Surah Al 'Ankabut 29:61,63 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... [v.61] And if you were to ask them: “Who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon?” they will surely reply: “Allah.” How then are they deviating (as polytheists and disbelievers)?” ... ... [v.63] And if you were to ask them: “Who sends down water (rain) from the sky, and gives life therewith to the earth after its death?” they will surely reply: “Allah.” Say: “All the praises and thanks be to Allah!” Nay, most of them have no sense. ...”​

    Surah Luqman 31:25,32 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -


    “... [v.25] And if you (O Muhammad) were to ask them: “Who has created the heavens and the earth,” they will certainly say: “Allah.” Say: “All praises and thanks be to Allah!” But most of them know not. … … [v.32] And when a wave covers them like shades (i.e. like clouds or the mountains of sea-water), they invoke Allah, making their invocations for Him only. But when He brings them safe to land, there are among them those that stop in between (Belief and disbelief). But none denies Our Signs except every perfidious ingrate.[2] ...”​

    Surah Al Zumar 39:38 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... And verily, if you ask them: “Who created the heavens and the earth?” Surely they will say: “Allah (has created them).” Say: “Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah – if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm? Or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His mercy?” Say: “Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust.[1]” ...”​

    Surah Quraysh 106:1-3 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... [v.1] (It is a great Grace and Protection from Allah) for the taming of the Quraish, [v.2] (And with all those Allah's Grace and Protections for their taming, We cause) the (Quraish) caravans to set forth safe in winter (to the south) and in summer (to the north without any fear) [v.3] So let them worship (Allah) the Lord of this House (the Ka'bah in Makkah [Mecca]) ...”​
     
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  10. dreadnought

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    The way I see it, some people will believe almost anything bad about a group of people if they don't like them.
     
  11. The7thColporteur

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    "Allah" of the qur'an is singular, never plural. "Allah" doesn't mean 'God', as it is a name. In Arabic, 'al-ilah', means 'the God" and, 'ilah' means 'God", again singular. "Allah" is not a contraction of "al-ilah".

    The God of scripture is JEHOVAH Elohiym [even the very name given throughout scripture, is never cited as the name of God for Muslims, never cited in the qur'an, or Sahih aHadith, etc, and Abu al Qasim [Muhammad] never took this name upon his lips that we are aware of], plural, 3 persons, at-one-ment.

    They are not the same, by many evidences, of which I demonstrate here from their own authentic Islamic sources, which I have read and studied, and so I ask, have you? - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-of-the-desert-matthew-24-24-26-kjb.8058098/

    "Allah" of the qur'an, has no son, at all, and is therefore never a Father, not even Muslims are 'sons', they are all 'slaves', hence the word 'Abd-allah', or Abdullah, the slave of Allah.
     
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  12. The7thColporteur

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    Actually it has roots in catholicism, gnostic catholicism, and talmudic and even kabalistic judaism, along with a mixture of the local qurayshi paganism, and zorastrianism [it was set up to be the ecumenical religion of the day, in Arabia]. I will demonstrate this [with cited official sources] in this thread, shortly - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-of-the-desert-matthew-24-24-26-kjb.8058098/
     
  13. The7thColporteur

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    Not so.

    Exodus 19:5 KJB - Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

    Malachi 3:6 KJB - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    1 Kings 20:28 KJB - And there came a man of God, and spake unto the king of Israel, and said, Thus saith the LORD, Because the Syrians have said, The LORD is God of the hills, but he is not God of the valleys, therefore will I deliver all this great multitude into thine hand, and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

    Isaiah 54:5 KJB - For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.​
     
  14. The7thColporteur

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    I see it, that people will believe anything about a group that they haven't actually read their material for themselves.
     
  15. dreadnought

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    Yes, some will.
     
  16. The7thColporteur

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    Now, when it comes to 'Arabic" catholics, etc, and their translation [<--- please note this word] of the Bible into their language, 'Arabic, Egyptian, etc], then it becomes a matter of who was translating, why they chose the words they did, and does it involve any syncretism, attempt at eccumenism, etc. In tracing the history, we find Jesuits involved, which makes for more interesting connections, but even before them, Roman catholicsm was involved at the beginning, as they were in the area, along with syrian catholics, and others, etc [to be demonstrated in the other thread, later, it's coming up]:

    ".. the Jesuits of Beirut started to prepare their own Catholic translation of the Bible soon after. The first volume of this work was published in 1876, with the whole New Testament in 1878, and the complete Bible already in 1880. The main contributors in the translator team were Father Augustin Rodet and Sheikh Ibrahim al-Yaziji.[12] ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_Arabic

    "... In 1988 the Jesuit publishing company Dar el-Machreq published a revised version of the 1880 Catholic translation, which has sold more than 60,000 copies between 1988 and 2000.[14] ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_Arabic

    "... In 1671 the Catholic Church published the whole Bible at Rome. The translation was done under the direction of Sergius Risi, the Catholic Archbishop of Damascus, as well as of Dominican Vincenzo Candido, professor of theology at the Roman College of Saint Thomas.[9] Francis Britius aided the translation. ..." - Bible translations into Arabic - Wikipedia
    So, those who say, that "Allah" of the Arabic catholics, etc is the same God, again, be very careful in this. There is more detail below the surface, that people don't generally want to look at. Just because a people use a word, doesn't mean they know the origins of that word, what it meant originally, or even how it came to be in their language, etc.
     
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  17. DawnStar

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    Sorry but I trust only non-biased sources. Bye bye.
     
  18. The7thColporteur

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    Let me know when you find one of those.
     
  19. kiwimac

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    Yahweh was indeed a mountain deity and probably a storm God, one of the sons of 'El.
     
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