All the Horns in the Book of Daniel Are Kings/Men

[precepts]

The reason why the prophecies in Daniel are still a mystery to some, is because too much false doctrine is propagated thru the media by too many false teachers. The book of Daniel clearly proves that all the horns in his prophecies are kings/men. It is man that is distorting the Word. The true interpretation of the prophecies in Daniel can only be understood by following the instructions given, and this is the true interpretation after acknowledging the horns are men:

Dan 2:36-44 first establishes the fact that the 4 kingdoms in Dan. 2 are the same 4 kingdoms in Dan 7. Verse 44 establishes the fact that the Kingdom of Christ would be set up during the reign of the 4th beast's kingdom.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Denominational Christianity's stumbling block, or at least how most people interpret the fact, is that the 10 horns on the 4th beast are kingdoms, and they do this in order to place the Kingdom of Christ on this earth, though the text specifically says the 10 horns are kings:
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Daniel chapter 7 also tells us that the 4 beasts are 4 kings:
Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The given facts so far: the 4 kingdoms in Dan.2 are the same kingdoms in Dan. 7; the kingdom of Christ would be set up during the 4th kingdom; the 4 beasts/kingdoms are 4 kings; and the 10 horns on the 4th beast are also kings.

Dan 8 defines another set of horns that are Greek and Persia Median:
Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Why do some people blaspheme the text? The kingdom of Christ is established in heaven, when the 11th horn/king reigns. This is proven by the fact that Dan 2:44 says so, and by the fact that it's the 1st beast in Rev 13:1 that is the 4th beast in both Dan 2 & 7; the 2nd beast in Rev 13 being the 5th kingdom, the 11th horn, the feet made of iron and clay. The 4th beast was the legs made of only iron.

The same 10 horns/kings that are on the 4th beast in Dan 7, are on the 1st beast of Rev 13:1, because the kingdom is Rome. The ten horns were her first 10 kings. The Beast was the scripted 8th, and the false prophet was the 11th.

The reason Dan 7:8 & 20 says the 11th horn had eyes and mouth like a man is because he is not a man, he is a fallen angel, one of the 4 fallen angels released from the Euphrates river (the bottomless pit). It is during his reign that heaven was attacked, the Armageddon mentioned in Revelation.

Until these rebellious souls stop taking God's Word out of context, they will never be able to understand Daniel's prophecies.

 

[Douggg]

Why do some blaspheme the text? The kingdom of Christ is established in heaven when the 11th horn/king reigns. This is proven by the fact that Dan 2:44 says so, and by the fact that it's the 1st beast in Rev 13:1, that is the 4th beast in both Dan 2 & 7; the 2nd beast in Rev 13 being the 5th kingdom, the 11th horn, the feet made of iron and clay. The 4th beast was the legs made of only iron.

Well there is your mistake. The metal of the 4th kingdom was iron. The feet and toes are of iron and clay. Still iron, the 4th kingdom, but in the end times parts of the 4th kingdom are weak symbolized by the clay. The EU.

The little horn comes up among the ten kings of the 4th kingdom (not the greek empire or break up kingdoms). In the text of Daniel 7.


It is only the first beast in Revelation 13 that represents both a king and kingdom. The second beast just represents a man.... the False Prophet.

 

[Douggg]

The same 10 horns/kings that are on the 4th beast in Dan 7, are on the 1st beast of Rev 13:1, because the kingdom is Rome. The ten horns were her first 10 kings. The Beast was the scripted 8th, and the false prophet was the 11th.

What you write is confusing because you don't write above.... The beast was the scripted 8th king following the 7 kings (represented by the 7 heads in Revelation 17) on the first beast in Revelation 13. Nor did you write 11th king of Daniel 7

The problem with the way you communicate is that you say 8th king and 11th king - but of what? It is not the 8th king of the 10 kings of Daniel 7. And it is not the 11th king of the 7 kings of Revelation 17.

You are the author of confusion -

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Now if the first beast represents the Roman empire (and I agree with you on that point) - and one of the 7 heads (one of the 7 kings) of that fourth empire is mortally wounded but comes back to life - who is that person? And where is that person in Revelation 13?

You are claiming the little horn (the 11th king in your jargon) is the false prophet. But what is missing in your scenario is that you have no accountability for the one king (one of the 7 heads) that is mortally wounded and come back to life. Where is that person in Revelation 13?

And where in Revelation 13 is the "fifth kingdom" (the feet of iron and clay of Daniel 2) that you refer to?

There is no fifth kingdom. It is the fourth kingdom and an end times version of it.

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How can the feet and ten toes of iron and clay - be a fifth kingdom (in your jargon), when the ten kings of Daniel 7 are of the fourth kingdom (in the text)?

The ten kings are of the fourth kingdom, and the feet and toes of iron and clay are the end times version of fourth kingdom.

 

[jgr]

The same 10 horns/kings that are on the 4th beast in Dan 7, are on the 1st beast of Rev 13:1, because the kingdom is Rome. The ten horns were her first 10 kings. The Beast was the scripted 8th, and the false prophet was the 11th.

The reason Dan 7:8 & 20 says the 11th horn had eyes and mouth like a man is because he is not really a man, he is a fallen angel, one of the 4 fallen angels released from the Euphrates river (the bottomless pit). It is during his reign that heaven was attacked, the Armageddon mentioned in Revelation.

Daniel 7
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Historically, there were ten kingdoms ("horns") that emerged out of the dissolution of the imperial Roman empire: Heruli, Suevi, Burgundians, Huns, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, and Anglo-Saxons. The little "horn" was the papal Roman empire, and it overthrew ("plucked up") three: the Heruli in 493, the Vandals in 534, and the Ostrogoths in 553.

"Eyes like the eyes of man" finds fulfillment in the papacy's unprecedented claim of being the overseer of the whole Church:
"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." (Catechism 882).

"A mouth speaking great things," finds fulfillment in the above and numerous other claims e.g
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." (Pope Pius XI, April 30 1922)

The Reformers recognized these fulfillments in historical hindsight and direct experience, and, coupled with their additional recognitions of fulfillments from 2 Thess. 2:3-4, John's descriptions of antichrist in his epistles, and Revelation 13 descriptions of the first beast; proclaimed the truths, often to the death, which ultimately resulted in the spiritual unshackling of the chains of the Dark Ages, and the spiritual liberties which we enjoy today.

We are immeasurably indebted to the Reformation and its courageous leaders and proponents.

 

[Douggg]

Historically, there were ten kingdoms ("horns") that emerged out of the dissolution of the imperial Roman empire: Heruli, Suevi, Burgundians, Huns, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, and Anglo-Saxons. The little "horn" was the papal Roman empire, and it overthrew ("plucked up") three: the Heruli in 493, the Vandals in 534, and the Ostrogoths in 553.

But one of precepts' points, one that I happen to agree with him, is that the ten kings in Daniel 7 are ten men - not ten kingdoms.

What you are describing is not ten men.

The little horn - in Daniel 8, is end times, not 400-500 AD. And the little horn is also a king, in Daniel 7, because he emerges among ten kings. So the little horn can not be "the papal Roman empire", because he is a singular person, who commits the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:12-13 in the end times, as that is in the text.

 

[jgr]

But one of precepts' points, one that I happen to agree with him, is that the ten kings in Daniel 7 are ten men - not ten kingdoms.

What you are describing is not ten men.

The little horn - in Daniel 8, is end times, not 400-500 AD. And the little horn is also a king, in Daniel 7, because he emerges among ten kings. So the little horn can not be "the papal Roman empire", because he is a singular person, who commits the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:12-13 in the end times, as that is in the text.

Each of the ten kingdoms had a first king, and some had successors. The papal kingdom had its succession of popes as kings.

 

[Douggg]

Each of the ten kingdoms had a first king, and some had successors. The papal kingdom had its succession of popes as kings.

Well, that is more than ten kings. The little horn is end times, according to Daniel 8, when he commits the transgression of desolation (of the temple) and stops the daily sacrifice (morning and evenings), which is also tied to the temple. The popes came long after the temple was destroyed. There has to be another temple built for those prophecies to be fulfilled. Most likely it will be a downsized minimum version of it, to get the animal sacrifices started again as quickly as possible.

 

[precepts]

Well there is your mistake. The metal of the 4th kingdom was iron. The feet and toes are of iron and clay. Still iron, the 4th kingdom, but in the end times parts of the 4th kingdom are weak symbolized by the clay. The EU.

All you do is distort the Word.

The 4th beast kingdom is the legs of iron, yes; and the text does say the strength of the 4th kingdom, the iron, would be in the 5th kingdom, why we know it's still part of the 4th kingdom of Rome, but it's still a 5th kingdom because it's not the legs of iron, but the feet and toes made of iron and clay.

It is not the EU, either. It is Rome. The EU is not Rome, the area defined as Rome from the scriptures. So the horns on it, represents, as the context and chronology suggests, the first scripted 11 emperors/kings of Rome, not kingdoms, but kings!

The little horn comes up among the ten kings of the 4th kingdom (not the greek empire or break up kingdoms). In the text of Daniel 7.

And where did I say that? Nowhere. You just have a way of distorting everything. Nothing is sacred to you.

It is only the first beast in Revelation 13 that represents both a king and kingdom. The second beast just represents a man.... the False Prophet.

That is but your opinion. You haven't provided any proof for the claim because there's none. It is pure poppy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] speculation, and you know it. You only say these things to be a vexation of spirit.

 

[precepts]

What you write is confusing because you don't write above.... The beast was the scripted 8th king following the 7 kings (represented by the 7 heads in Revelation 17) on the first beast in Revelation 13. Nor did you write 11th king of Daniel 7

You're the author of confusion, because you don't know how to read, an established fact.

The problem with the way you communicate is that you say 8th king and 11th king - but of what? It is not the 8th king of the 10 kings of Daniel 7. And it is not the 11th king of the 7 kings of Revelation 17.

You are the author of confusion -

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Take the plank out of your eye. You're a player hater.

Now if the first beast represents the Roman empire (and I agree with you on that point) - and one of the 7 heads (one of the 7 kings) of that fourth empire is mortally wounded but comes back to life - who is that person? And where is that person in Revelation 13?

That has nothing to do with the fact that the 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7 are the same 10 horns on the 1st beast in Rev 13. Nothing!

You are claiming the little horn (the 11th king in your jargon) is the false prophet. But what is missing in your scenario is that you have no accountability for the one king (one of the 7 heads) that is mortally wounded and come back to life. Where is that person in Revelation 13?

Talking to you is like talking to a wall. Where among the 10 horns on the 1st beast in Rev 13 is the 7th head/king that gets a wound? among the 10 horns/kings, where is the 7th?

And where in Revelation 13 is the "fifth kingdom" (the feet of iron and clay of Daniel 2) that you refer to?

Reading comprehension, I explained all that in the opening statement, now who's the author of confusion?

There is no fifth kingdom. It is the fourth kingdom and an end times version of it.

You full well know the 4th kingdom is the legs of iron in Dan 2, distinct from the feet and toes, which is the 5th kingdom, the 11th horn on the 4th beast in Dan 7; and the 2nd beast in Rev 13, was the false prophet. The Beast, as the text states, was the 8th horn/king. And it is during the reign of these kings that the heavenly kingdom of Christ was established in heaven, after it was attacked by these beasts, 3 of the beasts having their lives prolonged after the Armageddon.

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How can the feet and ten toes of iron and clay - be a fifth kingdom (in your jargon), when the ten kings of Daniel 7 are of the fourth kingdom (in the text)?

Because your 'soup pot' is filled with air. The 4th kingdom in Dan 2 is the 'legs' of iron, not the feet and toes of iron and clay. That is a distinct kingdom though it is still the country of Rome, meaning it was a change of Roman government that represents the clay, the iron knowingly is Rome.

The ten kings are of the fourth kingdom, and the feet and toes of iron and clay are the end times version of fourth kingdom.

Only in your small head, the logical explanation is that the 10 toes in Dan 2 can't be the 10 horns in Dan 7 because the 10 toes are made of iron and clay. They are not the legs of iron which represents the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 2. The feet and toes are not part of the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 2. Feet and toes are not part of the leg.

 

[Douggg]

, the first scripted 11 emperors/kings of Rome, not kingdoms, but kings!

So from your standpoint the ten toes (of your fifth kingdom) are not the ten kings in Daniel 7? Nor are the ten toes, the ten kings represented by the ten horns on the first beast of Revelation 13 - which you yourself say is the Roman Empire?


And where in Revelation 13 is the "fifth kingdom", with it's ten kings (the feet of iron and clay of Daniel 2) that you refer to?

The problem is that in Daniel 7 there is the fourth kingdom with ten kings.
But you say in Daniel 2 there is a fifth kingdom with ten kings. That's two kingdoms in your view that has ten kings.

Which in Revelation 13 there is only one beast (representing a kingdom) with ten kings (the ten horns).

 

[Douggg]

Only in your small head, the logical explanation is that the 10 toes in Dan 2 can't be the 10 horns in Dan 7 because the 10 toes are made of iron and clay. They are not the legs of iron which represents the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 2. The feet and toes are not part of the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 2. Feet and toes are not part of the leg.

In Daniel 7,from the text of Daniel 7 what material does it say in Daniel 7 those ten kings are of ?

Your error is that you have created a "fifth kingdom". When in the text, it does not say "fifth kingdom". The reason is, it is not just the legs of iron that represents the fourth empire, but also the feet of iron and clay.

 

[precepts]

Daniel 7
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Historically, there were ten kingdoms ("horns") that emerged out of the dissolution of the imperial Roman empire: Heruli, Suevi, Burgundians, Huns, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, and Anglo-Saxons. The little "horn" was the papal Roman empire, and it overthrew ("plucked up") three: the Heruli in 493, the Vandals in 534, and the Ostrogoths in 553.

Why are you regurgitating this nonsense, after I already explained the fact that the ten horns were kings? These kingdoms are not mentioned in the book of Daniel because Rome is the final beast kingdom, that lasts until the end of the world. These kingdoms you're naming aren't located in the area considered to be the Roman empire, meaning they're not Rome. The whole of Europe is not Rome. The end time empire that rules the world until the end is Rome. The 10 horns are her first 10 scripted kings. The heavenly kingdom was set up during their reign, the reason the kingdom of heaven was AT HAND 2,000 plus years ago.

And you full well know this; yet, instead of addressing the fact, you post this monotonous nonsense which is nothing but an insult to this thread, after all that's been said on the subject.

"Eyes like the eyes of man" finds fulfillment in the papacy's unprecedented claim of being the overseer of the whole Church:
"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." (Catechism 882).

"A mouth speaking great things," finds fulfillment in the above and numerous other claims e.g
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." (Pope Pius XI, April 30 1922)

The Reformers recognized these fulfillments in historical hindsight and direct experience, and, coupled with their additional recognitions of fulfillments from 2 Thess. 2:3-4, John's descriptions of antichrist in his epistles, and Revelation 13 descriptions of the first beast; proclaimed the truths, often to the death, which ultimately resulted in the spiritual unshackling of the chains of the Dark Ages, and the spiritual liberties which we enjoy today.

We are immeasurably indebted to the Reformation and its courageous leaders and proponents.

The 10 horns are 10 kings. You are blaspheming the text. The Greek horns were kings; the Persia Media horns were kings. It's illogical to think the 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7 are kingdoms when the text specifically says they're kings, following the pattern of the before mentioned horns in the book of Daniel. And like I said before, it is during the reign of these kings that the kingdom of Christ was set up 2,000 yrs ago, in heaven. That is what the prophecies are explaining to the wise, the timeline to the kingdom of Christ, which is the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary.

 

[precepts]

Each of the ten kingdoms had a first king, and some had successors. The papal kingdom had its succession of popes as kings.

The great horn on the he-goat was Alexander the great, her first king. The Ram's two horns represent the kings of Persia and Media. When the he-goat's great horn was broken, the four horns that came up represented his 4 generals turned kings. The little Greek horn that comes up out of one of those four horns/kings is also a king:

Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

- A king! So the 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7 must be kings. as the text specifically says. It's an open and shut case! The kingdom of Christ was set up during the reign of these kings.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

- You can fool who you must, but the wise will understand, because he is not carnal minded. The kingdom of heaven was set up in heaven during the reign of these kings:

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

- Which is Rev 4:1-2

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

 

[jgr]

Why are you regurgitating this nonsense, after I already explained the fact that the ten horns were kings? These kingdoms are not mentioned in the book of Daniel because Rome is the final beast kingdom, that lasts until the end of the world. These kingdoms you're naming aren't located in the area considered to be the Roman empire, meaning they're not Rome. The whole of Europe is not Rome. The end time empire that rules the world until the end is Rome. The 10 horns are her first 10 scripted kings. The heavenly kingdom was set up during their reign, the reason the kingdom of heaven was AT HAND 2,000 plus years ago.

And you full well know this; yet, instead of addressing the fact, you post this monotonous nonsense which is nothing but an insult to this thread, after all that's been said on the subject.

The 10 horns are 10 kings. You are blaspheming the text. The Greek horns were kings; the Persia Media horns were kings. It's illogical to think the 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7 are kingdoms when the text specifically says they're kings, following the pattern of the before mentioned horns in the book of Daniel. And like I said before, it is during the reign of these kings that the kingdom of Christ was set up 2,000 yrs ago, in heaven. That is what the prophecies are explaining to the wise, the timeline to the kingdom of Christ, which is the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary.

Every kingdom has a king.

 

[precepts]

So from your standpoint the ten toes (of your fifth kingdom) are not the ten kings in Daniel 7? Nor are the ten toes, the ten kings represented by the ten horns on the first beast of Revelation 13 - which you yourself say is the Roman Empire?

You have an understanding problem. It is not from my standpoint. I have told you so many times before: The 4th and 5th beast kingdoms in Dan 2 are both Rome, yes, the reason why the feet and toes have iron in them, but the fact is Dan 2 defines the 4th beast kingdom to be only the legs of iron, which is the point, which is the fact. I didn't make it up. It's what's given. So if Dan 2 defines the 4th beast to be the legs of iron, and there are feet and toes still left, made of iron and clay, it's obvious that it's a 5th kingdom, Rome no doubt, but still a distinct and different kingdom than the legs of iron, because the text says the legs of iron alone is the 4th kingdom. Capesh?

And where in Revelation 13 is the "fifth kingdom", with it's ten kings (the feet of iron and clay of Daniel 2) that you refer to?

All this I have already explained. The 11th horn on the 4th beast in Dan 7 is the 2nd beast in Rev 13 because there's no 11th horn on the first beast in Rev 13. It only has 10 horns. So if it's 10 horns are the same 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7, then where's the 11th horn from Dan 7 in Rev 13? The 10 horns on the 1st beast in Rev 13 are the same 10 horns on the 4th beast in Dan 7, which is also the 4th beast in Dan 2, only the legs of iron. So what's left is the feet and toes of iron and clay, the 11th horn on the 4th beast in Dan 7, and the 2nd beast in Rev 13, the false prophet. Now do you see how they connect, the false prophet in Rev 13, the blasphemous little horn in Dan 7, and the feet or iron and clay, all being the final beast kingdom of Rome?

The problem is that in Daniel 7 there is the fourth kingdom with ten kings.
But you say in Daniel 2 there is a fifth kingdom with ten kings. That's two kingdoms in your view that has ten kings.

I never said the 5th kingdom had 10 kings. And the only reason, that I can think of, as to why the 5th kingdom in Dan 2 might be referring to 10 kings/toes, is the fact that since the Beast is the 8th horn, and gives his power to 10 kings, that the 11th horn, the false prophet, is numbered as the 10th king, since the Beast being the 8th among the 11, is not numbered among the 10 kings he gives his power to. But the 10 horns/kings do belong to the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 7, the legs of iron in Dan 2 and the 1st beast kingdom in Rev 13, which is Rome.

Which in Revelation 13 there is only one beast (representing a kingdom) with ten kings (the ten horns).

That's why the 11th horn in Dan 7 is the 5th beast in Dan 2, because there's no 11th horn on the 1st beast in Rev 13, though it's 10 horns are the same 10 horns in Dan 7. The 2nd beast in Rev 13 is the 11th horn in Dan 7, the 5th kingdom in Dan 2, which is the partly strong 2nd kingdom of Rome, some of the iron of the 4th kingdom still remaining in it.

 

[precepts]

Every kingdom has a king.

Every kingdom has a king, yes. But there are only 4 kingdoms. Care to name the 4 kings that represents each kingdom/beast?

Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

- And we know the 4th kingdom lasts until the end of the world, so which king represents Rome? her first king? And if her first king is noted, shouldn't her 10 horns/kings not be also noted, especially since all the kings of each beast kingdom were chronicled before them, from Babylon to Greece, so why not Rome?

The scriptures chronicled Nebuchadnezzar and his sons until they were conquered by the Medes; chronicled the kings of Media Persia until it was conquered by Alexander the Great; chronicled the kings of Greece up until the Greek little horn responsible for the AOD; so why would it not chronicle the kings of the 4th beast?

 

[precepts]

In Daniel 7,from the text of Daniel 7 what material does it say in Daniel 7 those ten kings are of ?

Your error is that you have created a "fifth kingdom". When in the text, it does not say "fifth kingdom". The reason is, it is not just the legs of iron that represents the fourth empire, but also the feet of iron and clay.

Your errorsare: the beast in Dan 7 is not made of iron and clay, and Dan 2 does not say the feet and toes are part of the 4th kingdom? You are accusing me of doing the same thing you're doing. The text does not say the feet and toes are part of the 5th kingdom, nor does it say there's a 5th kingdom, but it's okay for you to assume the feet and toes are part of the legs, contrary to the science of anatomy, but it's wrong for me to realize that the feet and toes aren't part of the legs. You have a warped mentality.

And the reason why the text doesn't say there's 5th beast is because there are only four nations, but the 5th kingdom is a 5th kingdom and not a 5th nation, being Rome.

You base your conclusions on faulty reasonings.

 

[Douggg]

Your errorsare: the beast in Dan 7 is not made of iron and clay, and Dan 2 does not say the feet and toes are part of the 4th kingdom?

Daniel 7 does not say the fourth beast is made of iron or iron/clay. It doesn't say the first beast in Daniel 7 is the head of gold either, but we know from Daniel 2 because it says......

the head of gold is Nebuchazzer. So that following the metals down through the statue, they match up with the remaining beasts in Daniel 7. And there is no fifth beast, to be a fifth kingdom. Because there is no fifth kingdom in either Daniel 2 or Daniel7.

And if the ten toes are not the same ten kings in Daniel 7, then that makes 20, not ten kings to account for. And you have not shown 20 kings, in Revelation 13 in the text.

The text does not say the feet and toes are part of the 5th kingdom, nor does it say there's a 5th kingdom, but it's okay for you to assume the feet and toes are part of the legs, contrary to the science of anatomy, but it's wrong for me to realize that the feet and toes aren't part of the legs. You have a warped mentality.

And the reason why the text doesn't say there's 5th beast is because there are only four nations, but the 5th kingdom is a 5th kingdom and not a 5th nation, being Rome.

It doesn't say "nation" anywhere in Daniel 2 or Daniel 7. They are kingdoms. The Roman Empire encompassed many countries. The EU is a union of nation-states.

You cannot show in the text of Revelation 13, 10 kings of the fourth kingdom (which the little horn is affiliated with), and at the same time 10 different kings (the ten toes) of your so called "fifth kingdom". Because there is no "fifth kingdom".

Here are the 10 kings of the fourth kingdom....

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,[the ten kings of the fourth kingdom] and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Now show the ten different kings, the ten toes of your so called "fifth kingdom" elsewhere in Revelation 13.

 

[jgr]

Every kingdom has a king, yes. But there are only 4 kingdoms. Care to name the 4 kings that represents each kingdom/beast?

Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

- And we know the 4th kingdom lasts until the end of the world, so which king represents Rome? her first king? And if her first king is noted, shouldn't her 10 horns/kings not be also noted, especially since all the kings of each beast kingdom were chronicled before them, from Babylon to Greece, so why not Rome?

The scriptures chronicled Nebuchadnezzar and his sons until they were conquered by the Medes; chronicled the kings of Media Persia until it was conquered by Alexander the Great; chronicled the kings of Greece up until the Greek little horn responsible for the AOD; so why would it not chronicle the kings of the 4th beast?

The ten kingdoms and their first or early kings:

Heruli - Anthyrius I
Suevi - Hermeric
Burgundians - Gjúki
Huns - Attila
Ostrogoths - Theodoric
Visigoths - Alaric I
Vandals - Genseric
Lombards - Lethuc
Franks - Ascaric
Anglo-Saxons - Alfred the Great

 

[Douggg]

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precepts, do you know how many kings are in the legs of iron? Now this doesn't say directly in the text, so don't accuse me.

In the legs of iron, the historic Roman Empire, are the 6 of the 7 kings (of Revelation 17:10 ) represented by the heads. King 7 is end times, he is in the feet of the iron/clay. He is the little horn, king over those ten toes kings.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, (the six kings in the legs of iron) and the other is not yet come (the little horn in the feet of iron/clay); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.