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Discussion All of the Spiritual Gifts are for today

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Michael Collum, Jan 25, 2021.

  1. ARBITER01

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    You won't see all of the gifts flowing in a corporate setting, but you can see a few.

    Our church used to flow in tongues, interpretation, and prophecy in the corporate setting a few years back. It's really amazing to see it flow so nicely, and very edifiying!

    It's faded away for a while, but I can tell GOD wants to flow in our church again.
     
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  2. topher694

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    Actually they all can flow in a corporate setting, I'm trying to gage how rare that is. Thanks for your response, any idea why it faded away at your church?
     
  3. ARBITER01

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    There is no description of them operating all at once in our bibles, but to have a big majority of them operating at all (especially the power gifts) would be like 1st Century rare.

    The flow and manifestation of The Holy Spirit and His gifts is dependent on holiness in the assembly. Right now the body of Christ is more interested in personal/worldly things instead of Godly things, hence why we just don't see these operating as often.

    Additionally, the leadership must have experience in them and seek them also. That was the problem within our church. The original pastor that flowed in the gifts passed away and the board hired someone who had no real experience in the gifts. He stayed around 7 years and GOD moved him on, and our church is in the process of hiring another currently.
     
  4. topher694

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    First off that is not what I meant, not all at once... but all happening at various times in the same church. One week you may see certain gifts another week different gifts. That being said the Bible doesn't say that they don't or can't operate all at once. And for a congregation that is trained and tuned into them, you may very well experience all of them on a given service and not even know it. I've seen it first hand.

    Anyway sorry to hear about your pastor passing away and the gifts effectively going with him, unfortunately that is not all that uncommon.
     
  5. ARBITER01

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    Certain Spiritual gifts are tied to particular ministries within the body of Christ.

    For instance, the gifts of healings is a specific ministry within the body of Christ, hence we would see that gift operating regularly through that particular person within that church body, but you wouldn't see it operating otherwise through other people. It's not a gift that sort-of bounces around operating one week through a person and through another the next. Some of these gifts just don't work that way.

    Tongues, Interpretation, and Prophesying are specific ministries within the corporate setting. Just because I can speak in my prayer language, and have for almost 30 years every day, doesn't mean that I have a ministry also through which The Holy Spirit operates in the corporate setting. Same with Interpretation and Prophesying.

    While I have seen GOD witness all nine of these gifts being in me, He has never used any of them regularly in the corporate setting. Does that mean that He won't? No,.. that means that I have not been given a ministry yet in any of them through which He will.

    You're not gonna be given a ministry that you haven't been trained for by Him, and sometimes that training takes years, even decades.
     
  6. topher694

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    I'm sorry, but yes it can work that way. Anyone baptized in the Holy Spirit can operate in any of the gifts as the Spirit wills and the order of the house allows. Training is needed, yes. Order is needed, yes. But, it can happen and does happen every week at my church and I know there are others who do as well too.
     
  7. ARBITER01

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    You can be sorry all you wish, that doesn't mean I believe you.

    There's not a documented time in history that the gifts operated that way by The Holy Spirit, whether we look in our bibles, or in Christian history.

    If that was the case, then we would currently see this happening throughout the body of Christ every week, and it would be documented over the course of our history. And,.... your church would be prominently featured in the news.

    People make a lot of claims about things, but if those claims don't agree with scripture, then they are not to be accepted.
     
  8. Sabertooth

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    I have heard before the concentration of expression of the Gifts likened to "rainy seasons."
     
  9. topher694

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    So for you to be right I have to be a liar. And, now I'm making claims that are against scripture? Boy, that sounds a lot like God's heart to me... Accusing the brethren. The problem is that so many people who actually believe in the Gifts still have an attitude like yours so why would the news take any notice f the Body of Christ doesn't care?

    This is just one more example of someone with no fruit in an area being a self proclaimed expert and dictating what others should and should not believe. You go ahead dismissing the supernatural works of God to accuse the brethren and I'll go head promoting them to glorify God.
     
  10. topher694

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    That is a good comparison
     
  11. ARBITER01

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    You can be upset if you want, but we are to be grounded in scripture and the experience that The Holy Spirit teaches,..... not just our experiences. A good example of operating by experience only would be the Arnotts out of Toronto quite a few years back. They had all sort of demonic things going on in their church. There's probably still videos of it on youtube.

    There's not a section of scripture that describes the gifts operating through different people each week in the corporate setting. They operate through people who have a particular ministry in a gift.

    We had 3 or 4 people who had a ministry of tongues in the church at one point, and those people would operate in their ministry each week. We didn't allow other folks to come in and operate their gifts who were not a part of that church membership. Also, we had a couple of people who operated in a ministry of interpretation, and only those people would speak by utterance of The Holy Spirit each week, no one else.

    Things are to be done orderly and by scripture.
     
  12. topher694

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    I'm not upset. You are just wrong. Experiencally and scripturally. And your poor behavior just further proves that.
     
  13. ARBITER01

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    Well it sure seems like it.

    I'm not advocating a free for all in a church, we have to be disciplined in our approach with the gifts or we end up being a laughing stock for unbelievers. That's what happened up in Toronto. Everything to them was of The Holy Spirit, they never questioned anything,.... and it became an environment where anything goes. Satan loves that arena.

    It would do you well to get back to GOD's word and ask The Holy Spirit where you might be wrong. It's better to be reproved by GOD than to continue to be fooled by men. Good Day.
     
  14. topher694

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    Right, you mean the way you have? I promise you I know far more than you do about this and you would do well to remove the log out of your own eye before judging what I should be doing.
     
  15. ARBITER01

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    Lol.

    I'm not claiming to know more than someone else I've never met,... Mr. Prideful.
     
  16. topher694

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    Funny, since that is exactly what you have been doing.

    I've written 2 books on the subject. Taught multi semester courses on it. Preached on it dozens and dozens of times. Trained hundreds of people in it. Yet when I speak up about something contrary to what you believe, I'm a liar who doesn't know scripture and am supposed to listen to you? I'm prideful, huh? Once again take a look at your own log.

    And I notice once again your default response seems to be name calling. Classy.
     
  17. SANTOSO

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    Dear brothers,
    We are given God’s grace to forgive one another and love one another.

    It is true that both you are multiplied in the knowledge of God.

    Let this not cause jealousy and anger.

    Let seek God’s strength to release forgiveness to those who wronged us.

    For there is joy in being forgiven by the Lord.

    For this is what we have heard:
    Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, -1 Peter 1:22
    since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; -1 Peter 1:23

    When we love one another, surely God’s love has poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

    Let God’s love is brought to its goal in us because we keep obeying the Lord by loving one another.

    I believe the manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit or the environment that best grow the effective working of these gifts of the Spirit is love.
     
  18. topher694

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    Forgiveness, sure. Already done. But brotherly love doesn't resort to name calling, and pointing out name calling is not out of line either. But it does often expose some things.
     
  19. ARBITER01

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    Did I call you a liar? I just disagreed with your assumptions and ideas, that's all.

    If you have scripture to back up your ideas about the operation of The Holy Spirit and His gifts in the corporate setting, provide it.
     
  20. topher694

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    Well...

    Your response:
    If you don’t believe that it happens at MY church, then you are effectively calling me a liar. There are a hundred different ways you could have stated disagreement, but this was your choice. In my opinion everything was very cordial until this moment.

    Just to make sure I didn't misunderstand you followed up with this thinly veiled accusation:
    Then, of course we went to flat out name calling.


    I don't debate scripture with people that act this way. You talk about how things must agree with scripture, I agree, but atheists and crazy people** quote scripture and provide their interpretations too. They think the scriptures validate what they are saying.. That doesn't make them right. So there must be more to it than that.

    Truth is the scriptural backing is largely scriptures I'm certain we are both familiar with, it's just that you clearly have misunderstood some small but key elements. With all of the public teaching I have done on the subject and am very well aware of arguments like yours. I have heard them over and over and studied them intently. But none of that matters when talking to someone who isn't interested in learning, but rather in proving you are wrong.


    **I'm not calling anyone here this, I'm just using it as an illustration
     
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