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Alabama governor signs restrictive abortion bill into law as ACLU vows to sue

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by No Username Found, May 15, 2019 at 6:14 PM.

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  1. No Username Found

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    Alabama governor signs restrictive abortion bill into law as ACLU vows to sue
    Well, the bill is now Alabama law. ACLU plans to sue. My prediction is that it will wind up in the supreme court giving the opportunity to overturn Roe V. Wade. Thoughts?
     
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  2. Steve Petersen

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    Why would SCOTUS take up this matter? It has been ruled on several times. SCOTUS has not reversed itself on Roe v. Wade.
     
  3. mark kennedy

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    It's going into the courts, that seems to be the whole point. The Federal Courts will follow precedence and the only body who can reverse it is the Supreme Court. I don't like the whole mess but with a conservative majority it's the best opportunity for prolife in decades.
     
  4. Tanj

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    Given the strength of stare decisis, I predict it will get shot down like all the other futile wastes of Alabama tax monies, and get as close to the supreme court as your average plague infected rodent.
     
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    I don't think this will really go anywhere or change anything. Alabama will spend lots of money it can't afford to defend its unconstitutional law. Lower courts will declare it unconstitutional. SCOTUS will refuse to hear it. Alabama will be told to go home.

    Other laws will result in cases that might have a better chance of getting heard by SCOTUS.

    BTW, even if SCOTUS overturned Roe Vs Wade - we aren't going to end up with an abortion ban in the US. It would turn the matter back over to the states.

    Plenty of states wouldn't dream of banning abortion, like mine - Washington. And states that ban abortion would turn themselves into economic pariahs. Their growth would stagnate. Enjoy the industry they have because no one will move a business there and many organizations will ban travel there.

    People don't think these things through.
     
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    Why would SCOTUS take up this matter? Because I believe that is what the plan was from the beginning. It wasn't until Trump filled the Supreme Court with conservative Judges that the states have been bold enough to push these anti-abortion laws. I believe the reason was to create an issue that would be brought to the Supreme Court to ultimately have Roe V. Wade repealed. In my humble prediction, the ACLU will sue. Perhaps regardless of the decision made by the lower courts, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court in hope that it will not only stand, but Roe V. Wade will be repealed. Those are my thoughts.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    I don't think that will happen at all. Like the states who legalized marijuana, I predict the only outcome is that people would just have their abortions done out of state. A far cry from the economic situations you are predicting.
     
  9. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    Yes , but what money will Alabama have to take care of the poor kids, that are born. Kids that are born need money to live. I get the impression that its okay for the poor ,unloved kids . To live in cages. As long as they are born. Who really cares. I'm not criticizing you. Because I get what you're saying.
     
  10. 1000Flames

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    Good to see all the outrage about "activist judges" a few months ago by conservatives was just fake news. It's A-OK for the federal Supreme Court when its "your guys." Really glad that conservatives have stopped pretending like they cared about values and principles. They're more honest than before and the rest of us don't have to guess whether they were pretending or not. :oldthumbsup:
     
  11. bekkilyn

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    Born kids don't matter. They become "someone else's" problem at that point. but you're right, where is all the outrage from the so-called pro-life crowd about all the immigrant kids kept in concentration camps at our borders after having been viciously separated from their parents? Where is their "right to life"?
     
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    Alabama governor signs restrictive abortion bill into law as ACLU vows to sue

    International studies have shown that legislation has never been an effective means of limiting abortion - how many young women sentenced to 99 year terms will it take before states like Alabama are forced to repeal their legislation?
     
  13. PreviouslySeeking...

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    The wealthy people will go out of state. The poor ones will be stuck. And you don't get it, I'm pro-choice & I've never had an abortion, but stuff like this galvanizes people. Alabama is saying that a girl or a woman is valued less than a fetus that isn't even guaranteed to survive gestation and birth. Less than. Not equal to or whatever you think. Less than. She is hostage to the contents of her uterus.

    That concerns everyone who isn't the most ardent pro-lifer. There will be consequences past what these politicians thought of.
     
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    I predict the same number of people are going to leave Alabama because of their abortion laws as the number of Americans who actually renounced their us citizenship because trump was elected. Which is probably a handful. I really dont think the majority of people actually give two donuts about the abortion laws in their state or care enough about it to cut all ties to move to another state. My prediction is that their will be a lot of whining and complaining, perhaps a few protests, and that will be the end of it.
     
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    You misunderstood. I wasn't saying people will move out of Alabama. Wealthy people will go-to another state to have abortions and go back home. Poor people won't. People won't move because they don't care, or the they support the law or they can't afford to.

    But people will second guess moving there. National businesses won't open large operations there. States like mine will pass resolutions allowing no state travel to the state and the like. That is what I meant by "economic pariah".

    You are right - a lot of people don't care about abortion. But businesses, state governments, and voluntary organizations have to care about PR and no one has to stretch the truth about this law - it is bad news.
     
  16. GoldenBoy89

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    Alabama logic:

    Banning guns won't solve the problem of mass shootings and only turns law abiding citizens into criminals.

    Banning abortions to the point that doctors could serve a life sentence for providing one.... Makes perfect sense!
     
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  17. GoldenBoy89

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    Also, this is a bit of a contradiction.

    Apparently some lives are more precious and sacred gifts than others.
     
  18. TLK Valentine

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    SCOTUS might be the last bastion of the Constitution, but it's far from the only one. If this nonsense doesn't get shot down long before it gets to The Nine, I'll be unpleasantly surprised.
     
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    The Supreme Court has no obligation to do so, that's true, but with a half a dozen states passing similar bills into law lately and all of them winding up in lower courts thanks to the ACLU or Planned Parenthood, there is at least a good chance of it.
     
  20. TLK Valentine

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    Assuming they don't all get shot down by the lower courts for being blatant and transparent attempts to violate Roe v Wade... tell me, which federal court isn't going to see this coming?
     
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