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Alabama banning nearly all abortions

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Mountainmanbob, May 15, 2019 at 5:05 AM.

  1. Mountainmanbob

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    Alabama Senate passes bill banning nearly all abortions
    Alabama’s state Senate passed a controversial bill on Tuesday that would outlaw nearly all abortions in the state and make performing one a felony unless the mother’s health is at risk.


    We have relatives back there.
    God will bless Alabama.
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  2. Danielwright2311

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    Good, it should be banned world wide unless its a medical emergency.

    Every child deserves to be born no matter what the cause.
     
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  3. Mountainmanbob

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    Bless you
     
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  4. mark kennedy

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    They appear to be trying to set up a test case of Roe v. Wade, this is definitely going into the courts if the Governor signs it into law. I thought the Georgia heart beat law was a little closer to what I wanted to see but you always get extremes over this issue. I really don't see Roe v. Wade being overturned in our lifetime but can't blame them for trying. While it does seem futile there is nothing stopping them from revisiting that landmark decision.
     
  5. Servant of Yeshua

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    Most did not think that slavery could ever be overturned. Once you give someone a right, it is very difficult to take that right away. Can you imagine if someone today said, " I think it should be a choice for the individual or the state on whether or not to own a slave. If you do not like slavery, then simply do not own one. or do not tell me what to do with my property."
    Pray that people will see God as the author and creator of life. God said in Jeremiah 1:5 that he knew us before he formed us in the womb. And in the Psalms it was reiterated that God knit us in the womb. Abortion is the new slavery because it treats unborn future adults as property. Pray that America can get this overturned as we did slavery. Repent and humble ourselves so that God can heal our land.
     
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  6. Mountainmanbob

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    Abortion is worse than slavery.

    And the Bible told slave owners to treat their slaves good.

    Some slaves when freed wanted to stay right where they were.

    I'm sure that all babies would like to stay right where they are safe in their mother's womb.

    M-Bob
     
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  7. RaymondG

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    Yes, Actions that were once legal is not punishable by up to 100 years in jail......because few people decided that it was against their own beliefs. We should all celebrate.

    And let us continue to celebrate when "reading bibles" become "against the beliefs" of a few, and then becomes a crime punishable by 100 years in jail.

    We have to be ok with it all in these situations...it would be wise to not be near sighted.
     
  8. crossnote

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    ...barring the Lord's return.
     
  9. dogs4thewin

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    Well as this is a secular society that is kind of left off of it.
     
  10. crossnote

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    Makes no difference, even if all were atheists, man's unbelief will not stop God"s promised Judgment on this world. Heaven is run by a King, not a Democracy.
     
  11. dogs4thewin

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    but what I am saying is that barring Christ's return is not really something that folks consider in a secular society. Be definition secular has no bearing on laws.
     
  12. crossnote

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    I didn't mean 'barring' as in stopping, but in the event that until it happens.
    Secular society? This is called 'christianforums' no?
    And my point was whether the secular society believes it or not, it will happen and they need to be informed/warned.
     
  13. Arcangl86

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    It took a civil war and then a constitutional amendment to overturn slavery. All anti-abortion advocates are doing is passing laws that are blatantly unConstitutional with the hope that a conservative packed SCOTUS would overturn it. Which is not how our system was designed to operate.
     
  14. Kaon

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    There is a lot that could be unloaded here. I am a sort of temporal antinatalist, so I will leave the second part alone.

    However, the very fact that you can say, "...unless its a medical emergency" is what allows for the gray area to divide sides. Your idea of a medical emergency may not be what a doctor, or patient believe is a medical emergency.
     
  15. Danielwright2311

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    Death due to labor, bleeding or other death related reasons.
     
  16. Kaon

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    It took so much to overturn slavery because 19th century Americans didn't want to give up their slaves just like 21st century Americans didn't want to give up their guns (which one was a legitimate human, both were considered property). Also, the North had incompatible geography for growing cash crops in enough mass to compete with the South. The Civil war was a political and economic issue - not an issue about morality, doing what is right, or treating humans like humans. Of course that worked to get abolitionists and their supporters (as well as some foreign support) to side with the North - everyone like a good story and human struggle. Finally (the juxtaposition), slavery was justified as a biblical necessity - that the enslaved Africans were the sons of Cain, and were therefore under the subjugation of the alleged sons of Shem. (This justified the rape, murder, mutilation, etc. somehow...)


    Abortion is an economic and political issue; if we talk about abortion we are either talking about the exceptions that would make the religious reconsider its use (e.g. rape and incest), or we are told how it is one step in a series of health steps for women. It comes down to money and representation (economic and political)

    Abortion is big business. A lot of money and jobs are made on the medical practices that are directed at women's health - including abortion.

    A barring of abortion has been justified as a biblical necessity - that women who abort their children should be punished under the law of the land as well as the Law of the Most High God.


    We are already in another civil war, and it should make sense that we would be directed to fight each other rather than an actual (yet massive) threat. It is a step in fully destabilizing a nation. It isn't hot yet, but lines have already been drawn, and we have allowed ourselves to be had once again. It is going to take another civil war to either solidify the strength of protections for abortion, or to completely deny it.

    Either way, everyone will lose.
     
  17. Kaon

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    Ok, but what if you are violently raped, and the only way to save the female is to terminate the baby?

    Not everyone's seed is acceptable; between STD and downright evil injected into the woman by way of genetics, there are a myriad of things that could cause serious injury or death in labor, or well before labor.

    I am not for abortion at all, and I am not debating an issue I do not believe in. I am highlighting how we trap ourselves with our own ideologies we have put on a pedestal (due to culture, despite claiming it is moral or biblical), and how that hypocrisy can be used against all of us in ways we don't even realize.

    Adultery, lasciviousness, crudeness, promiscuity - all of these things lead to death, surely, yet we don't actually take a moral or biblical stance against these things like we do pet sins and "immoral" activity. That inconsistency is what keeps us spiritually degenerate, and always exploited by other entities that understand our degeneracy, or by entities that create it.

    Djinn can't be put back in their artifacts, they say...
     
  18. dogs4thewin

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    Yes this is called Christian forums but trust me you do NOT want to live in a society that is not secular. It has been tried repeatedly and it has failed repeatedly.
     
  19. mark kennedy

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    Indeed.
     
  20. mark kennedy

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    Slavery was never a foregone conclusion, after the Missouri Compromise the number of slave states could not be expanded. As far as Dreed Scott, he was property therefore had no civil rights. I don't know, are we going to recognize the civil rights of the unborn? It seems unlikely, perhaps unnecessary. I think it comes down to a concensus, if it's clear abortion is illegal beyond the first trimester, medical emergency not withstanding it stops the progessive nature of the extremes. I don't think anyone has the power of life and death over the unborn but compromise here has only one place to go. I don't like it, but it's better then the extremes we could get stuck with if we are not careful.
     
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