Aiding and Abetting the Man of Sin? An Objection To Dispensationalism

[random person]

Aiding and Abetting the Man of Sin?

Written by Don Preston​

Question: Would you purposely give your money to someone that you knew was hell-bent on committing genocide? Would you sacrificially commit yourself financially to support an organization whose one desire in life was the opposition to God?

I am confident that most people would recoil in horror at the thought of purposefully encouraging or supporting anyone or any organization with such horrid, inhumane goals. And yet, that is precisely what hundreds of thousands of Bible believers are doing every year! Now, I know that this claim is shocking to a lot of people, but, please bear with me as I explain.

So called Bible prophecy experts such as Randall Price, Grant Jeffrey, Tim LaHaye, Thomas Ice, Jack Van Impe, Benny Hinn, John Hagee and a host of others ardently encourage their followers to send money to either their ministry, or to Israel. Why? They do so because, as Price and Ice wrote some years ago, they believe that Israel is Ready To Rebuild The Imminent Plans to Rebuild the Last Days Temple. (Thomas Ice and Randall Price, (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 1992). Price then followed that with The Battle for the Last Days Temple ( (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 2004), and then his massive The Temple and Bible Prophecy, 2005). Other dispensational authors have written books with similar themes: it is time, say they, to rebuild the Jerusalem temple!

These men all tell the often gullible audience that all the signs for the rebuilding of the temple are present around us today. We are in the last days, we are told. (See my The Last Days Identified book that totally debunks the idea that we are in the last days). Of course, the claims that there are signs everywhere that the end is near is a blatant contradiction in the millennial scheme, for according to many of the leading dispensationalists, there are no signs of the end! We will address this issue at another time, but for the moment, let’s focus on the efforts to rebuild the Jerusalem temple.

Here is what you need to know about the dispensational schema:

At the rapture, the Christian age (which of course the Bible says has no end, DKP!) comes to an end. The church is removed from the earth, and God resumes His dealings with Israel.

The man of sin suddenly appears and convinces Israel to sign a peace treaty with her enemies. This peace treaty supposedly initiates the seven year “Tribulation Period.”

Then, during three and a half years of peace, “Judaism is revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies are re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.” (Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, Prophecy Watch, (Eugene, Or., 1998 )60).

At the end of the 3 ½ year peace, the Man of Sin breaks his treaty with Israel and embarks on a persecution of Israel. This Man of Sin is to be the most evil person who has ever lived. The Great Tribulation that he initiates will result in the death of 2/3rds of all Jews and 3/5ths of all humans on the face of the earth! Think about that, will you? As some millennialists have said, this makes the atrocities committed by Hitler out to be like a picnic in the park! The suffering, the horror, the evil perpetrated by the Man of Sin is unprecedented and unparalleled in history. He is in fact, the very personification of evil.

So, here is what you need to know: The Man of Sin is the key figure that will (ostensibly) bring about the building of the Jerusalem temple. This temple– which can rightfully be called the temple of the Man of Sin since he is the one that authorizes it – is the temple that dispensationalists say is next on the prophetic agenda! This is not something that the dispensational teachers like to advertise, for obvious reasons. They just like to say how much they love Israel, and how important it is to support Israel. They do not tell you that right now, if you send your money to Israel for the rebuilding of a future temple, that you will be aiding and abetting the Man of Sin!!

DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE?

Dispensationalists are asking you, urging you, to send your money to Israel so that they can then enter into a peace treaty (supposedly very soon!) with the Man of Sin so that, “Judaism can be revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.”

You are being asked to aid and abet the future efforts of the Man of Sin, the most evil human that has ever lived on the face of the earth.

You are being asked to send your money to Israel so that when that Evil One appears, they can enter into covenant with him!

You are being urged to financially support a theology that eagerly preaches and anticipates Israel’s cooperation with a man hell-bent on destroying them, and YOU in the Great Tribulation!

I find it very difficult to believe that good, honest, God loving believers would willingly support such a theology– if they actually realized what the doctrine entails.

It is time for everyone to know the facts about what Dispensationalism actually teaches, and it is not truth!

 

[Danoh]

Random are you any better than those charlatans for lumping all Dispensationalists into their category.

Israel needs no help in any of that mess - any consistent dispensationalist will tell you this.

Oh wait, that doesn't fit your bias. Never mind...

 

[Biblewriter]

Sadly, the charge is true in regard to many dispensationalists. They have not studied the scriotures as thoroughly as they think they have, and thus make this very real error.

The scriptures indeed tell us that two thirds of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed, and the tribulation temple will be destroyed.

The scriptures indeed say that when Israel is brought back, it will never again be rooted up. But Israel is all twelve tribes. and the scriptures that the time when they are brought back will be after Messiah comes, not before. It is only Judah (the Jews) that are currently back in the land. And they will be severely judged for their wickedness there.

 

[random person]

Sadly, the charge is true in regard to many dispensationalists. They have not studied the scriotures as thoroughly as they think they have, and thus make this very real error.

The scriptures indeed tell us that two thirds of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed, and the tribulation temple will be destroyed.

Does this fall under a covenantal blessing? Or under a covenantal curse?

 

[Biblewriter]

Does this fall under a covenantal blessing? Or under a covenantal curse?

Neither. It falls under the fact that the prophecies in the Bible plainly says these things will happen, and why.

 

[random person]

Neither. It falls under the fact that the prophecies in the Bible plainly says these things will happen, and why.

Oh really, that is what the bible teaches, that we should rip out the books of Exodus through to Deuteronomy from the Bible.

Or rip out the book of Hebrews too.

These texts you completely ignore.

What you did is give prophecies that have already been fulfilled and lend them to pure futuristic speculation that is not grounded in what the Bible truly teaches.

National Israel is no longer identified as a God's chosen people. The Church represents the kingdom of God here on earth. It is a global kingdom and not confined to the Palestinian borders like you believe.

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:


“ ‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone;

the Lord has done this,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Who are the stone builders Jesus is speaking of, BW?


The sad thing is every prophecy you believe in already has a preterist antecedent.

Does the Bible stutter, BW? Apparantly, it does according to dispensationalism.

 

[Biblewriter]

Oh really, that is what the bible teaches, that we should rip out the books of Exodus through to Deuteronomy from the Bible.

Or rip out the book of Hebrews too.

These texts you completely ignore.

What you did is give prophecies that have already been fulfilled and lend them to pure futuristic speculation that is not grounded in what the Bible truly teaches.

National Israel is no longer identified as a God's chosen people. The Church represents the kingdom of God here on earth. It is a global kingdom and not confined to the Palestinian borders like you believe.

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:


“ ‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone;

the Lord has done this,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Who are the stone builders Jesus is speaking of, BW?


The sad thing is every prophecy you believe in already has a preterist antecedent.

Does the Bible stutter, BW? Apparantly, it does according to dispensationalism.

There is no rational way to even pretend that the last part of Daniel 11, Ezekiel 20, Ezekiel 36, or Ezekiel 47-48 have ever been fulfilled.

I give these passages as just some of the most obvious failures of Preterism.

 

[random person]

There is no rational way to even pretend that the last part of Daniel 11, Ezekiel 20, Ezekiel 36, or Ezekiel 47-48 have ever been fulfilled.

I give these passages as just some of the most obvious failures of Preterism.

Daniel 11 is speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes, the little horn, and his two invasions of Egypt. The first one was successful but the second one was unsuccessful due to the naval fleets of Kittim. Antiochus Epiphanes was forced to leave Egypt, and then the tyrant prince becomes infuriated, retreats and vents his anger and rage against that which his heart opposed — the holy covenant.

 

[Rev20]

There is no rational way to even pretend that the last part of Daniel 11, Ezekiel 20, Ezekiel 36, or Ezekiel 47-48 have ever been fulfilled.

I give these passages as just some of the most obvious failures of Preterism.

Biblewriter, all those passages from Ezekiel were fulfilled in the restoration of Israel that occurred after their return from Babylonian and Assyrian captivities.

The Restoration of Israel began with the return of three waves of exiles in the days of Sheshbazzar (Ezra 1:8, 537BC); Zerubbabel (Ezra 2:2, 522BC); and Ezra (Ezra 8:1, 458BC.) Ezekiel 37:19 explains how Israel and Judah were joined together under the leadership of Judah:

"Then shalt thou say to them, Thus saith the Lord; behold, I will take the tribe of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel that belong to him, and I will add them to the tribe of Juda, and they shall become one rod in the hand of Juda." -- Eze 37:19 LXX​

The second recovery occurred in the days of Jesus Christ (Isa 11:10-12) when Christ and his disciples were sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24, 10:5-6.)

Peter (1Pet 1:1-2) and James (Jam 1:1) wrote to the lost sheep in their epistles. Actually, those lost sheep had already been found, as the evidence in the epistles reveals they had already been converted to Christ.

Peter also wrote of the church in Babylon, a city in Mesopotamia. I suspect that church was formed by one of the returning "devout Jews" that were present on the day of Pentecost, who were from every nation under heaven:

"And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." -- Acts 2:5​

The cities and areas mentioned covered practically every area of the former Assyrian and Babylonian captivities:

"Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them (the disciples) speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." -- Acts 2:9-11​

 

[Danoh]

The more I read the various views the Mid-Acts Perspective alone makes sense.

Likewise as to other's continued perception of their own view as well, I'm sure

 

[Biblewriter]

Biblewriter, all those passages from Ezekiel were fulfilled in the restoration of Israel that occurred after their return from Babylonian and Assyrian captivities.

The Restoration of Israel began with the return of three waves of exiles in the days of Sheshbazzar (Ezra 1:8, 537BC); Zerubbabel (Ezra 2:2, 522BC); and Ezra (Ezra 8:1, 458BC.) Ezekiel 37:19 explains how Israel and Judah were joined together under the leadership of Judah:

"Then shalt thou say to them, Thus saith the Lord; behold, I will take the tribe of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel that belong to him, and I will add them to the tribe of Juda, and they shall become one rod in the hand of Juda." -- Eze 37:19 LXX​

The second recovery occurred in the days of Jesus Christ (Isa 11:10-12) when Christ and his disciples were sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24, 10:5-6.)

Peter (1Pet 1:1-2) and James (Jam 1:1) wrote to the lost sheep in their epistles. Actually, those lost sheep had already been found, as the evidence in the epistles reveals they had already been converted to Christ.

Peter also wrote of the church in Babylon, a city in Mesopotamia. I suspect that church was formed by one of the returning "devout Jews" that were present on the day of Pentecost, who were from every nation under heaven:

"And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." -- Acts 2:5​

The cities and areas mentioned covered practically every area of the former Assyrian and Babylonian captivities:

"Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them (the disciples) speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." -- Acts 2:9-11​

Ezekel 36:10 very plainly says that "the mountians of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken," (verse 4) will again be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, all of it." The fact that there are Jews elsewhere in the world is conclusive proof that this has not happened.

Ezekiel 47:15-20 precisely defines the future borders of that land. And the restored remnant never had these borders. And the land has never been divided along the explicitly stated divisions defined in Ezekiel 48:13-20.

And although Daniel 11: 1-35 was literally fulfilled so precisely that unbelievers say its very accuracy proves it could not have been written before the events took place, nothing that more than approximately resembles any portion of Daniel 11:36-45 has ever happened.

These are simple, undeniable, facts.

 

[Rev20]

Ezekel 36:10 very plainly says that "the mountians of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken," (verse 4) will again be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, all of it." The fact that there are Jews elsewhere in the world is conclusive proof that this has not happened.

Ezekiel 47:15-20 precisely defines the future borders of that land. And the restored remnant never had these borders. And the land has never been divided along the explicitly stated divisions defined in Ezekiel 48:13-20.

And although Daniel 11: 1-35 was literally fulfilled so precisely that unbelievers say its very accuracy proves it could not have been written before the events took place, nothing that more than approximately resembles any portion of Daniel 11:36-45 has ever happened.

These are simple, undeniable, facts.

Ezekiel and Daniel are subject to interpretation. The simple, undeniable fact is that Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24.) There is no denying that fact.

 

[Biblewriter]

Ezekiel and Daniel are subject to interpretation. The simple, undeniable fact is that Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24.) There is no denying that fact.

So you think we are allowed to pick and choose which explicit statemennts of the Bible we believe?

 

[Danoh]

Ezekiel and Daniel are subject to interpretation. The simple, undeniable fact is that Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24.) There is no denying that fact.

Right - but not your misunderstanding of that, rather, the understanding of "unto his own... of his brethren" John 1; Hebrews 1.

 

[DennisTate]

Aiding and Abetting the Man of Sin?

Written by Don Preston​

Question: Would you purposely give your money to someone that you knew was hell-bent on committing genocide? Would you sacrificially commit yourself financially to support an organization whose one desire in life was the opposition to God?

I am confident that most people would recoil in horror at the thought of purposefully encouraging or supporting anyone or any organization with such horrid, inhumane goals. And yet, that is precisely what hundreds of thousands of Bible believers are doing every year! Now, I know that this claim is shocking to a lot of people, but, please bear with me as I explain.

So called Bible prophecy experts such as Randall Price, Grant Jeffrey, Tim LaHaye, Thomas Ice, Jack Van Impe, Benny Hinn, John Hagee and a host of others ardently encourage their followers to send money to either their ministry, or to Israel. Why? They do so because, as Price and Ice wrote some years ago, they believe that Israel is Ready To Rebuild The Imminent Plans to Rebuild the Last Days Temple. (Thomas Ice and Randall Price, (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 1992). Price then followed that with The Battle for the Last Days Temple ( (Eugene, Or. Harvest House, 2004), and then his massive The Temple and Bible Prophecy, 2005). Other dispensational authors have written books with similar themes: it is time, say they, to rebuild the Jerusalem temple!

These men all tell the often gullible audience that all the signs for the rebuilding of the temple are present around us today. We are in the last days, we are told. (See my The Last Days Identified book that totally debunks the idea that we are in the last days). Of course, the claims that there are signs everywhere that the end is near is a blatant contradiction in the millennial scheme, for according to many of the leading dispensationalists, there are no signs of the end! We will address this issue at another time, but for the moment, let’s focus on the efforts to rebuild the Jerusalem temple.

Here is what you need to know about the dispensational schema:

At the rapture, the Christian age (which of course the Bible says has no end, DKP!) comes to an end. The church is removed from the earth, and God resumes His dealings with Israel.

The man of sin suddenly appears and convinces Israel to sign a peace treaty with her enemies. This peace treaty supposedly initiates the seven year “Tribulation Period.”

Then, during three and a half years of peace, “Judaism is revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies are re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.” (Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, Prophecy Watch, (Eugene, Or., 1998 )60).

At the end of the 3 ½ year peace, the Man of Sin breaks his treaty with Israel and embarks on a persecution of Israel. This Man of Sin is to be the most evil person who has ever lived. The Great Tribulation that he initiates will result in the death of 2/3rds of all Jews and 3/5ths of all humans on the face of the earth! Think about that, will you? As some millennialists have said, this makes the atrocities committed by Hitler out to be like a picnic in the park! The suffering, the horror, the evil perpetrated by the Man of Sin is unprecedented and unparalleled in history. He is in fact, the very personification of evil.

So, here is what you need to know: The Man of Sin is the key figure that will (ostensibly) bring about the building of the Jerusalem temple. This temple– which can rightfully be called the temple of the Man of Sin since he is the one that authorizes it – is the temple that dispensationalists say is next on the prophetic agenda! This is not something that the dispensational teachers like to advertise, for obvious reasons. They just like to say how much they love Israel, and how important it is to support Israel. They do not tell you that right now, if you send your money to Israel for the rebuilding of a future temple, that you will be aiding and abetting the Man of Sin!!

DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE?

Dispensationalists are asking you, urging you, to send your money to Israel so that they can then enter into a peace treaty (supposedly very soon!) with the Man of Sin so that, “Judaism can be revived, and traditional sacrifices and ceremonies re-instituted in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.”

You are being asked to aid and abet the future efforts of the Man of Sin, the most evil human that has ever lived on the face of the earth.

You are being asked to send your money to Israel so that when that Evil One appears, they can enter into covenant with him!

You are being urged to financially support a theology that eagerly preaches and anticipates Israel’s cooperation with a man hell-bent on destroying them, and YOU in the Great Tribulation!

I find it very difficult to believe that good, honest, God loving believers would willingly support such a theology– if they actually realized what the doctrine entails.

It is time for everyone to know the facts about what Dispensationalism actually teaches, and it is not truth!

On the other hand please read Isaiah 66

5 Hear the word of Jehovah, ye that tremble at his word: Your brethren that hate you, that cast you out for my name's sake, have said, Let Jehovah be glorified, that we may see your joy; but it is they that shall be put to shame.

6 A voice of tumult from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of Jehovah that rendereth recompense to his enemies.

How can Messiah "render recompense to his enemies" in a temple...... .previous to the existence of a temple???????


Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

 

[Tra Phull]

Don Preston is a Full Preterist.

 

[Tra Phull]

As far as son of perdition sitting in a Temple - it might be not an actual rebuilt stone temple.

Though the stone temple still stood in the days Paul was writing, Paul's epistles were already referring to a Temple WITHIN US !!

So there doesn't necessarily have to be a 3rd Temple to be built.