After Trump Blasts N.F.L., Players Kneel and Lock Arms in Solidarity

[Followers4christ]

BLM is a black supremacist/anti-cop group, and I consider anything inspired/supported by them to be questionable, at best. Cops are more aggressive with blacks, although they are less likely to shoot them, but that seems to be because they make up 42% of the known cop killers, despite being like 13% of the population. Does that mean black people are bad? Of course not, but fatherless homes and poverty can help destroy the moral underpinnings of any society.

This has less to do with black lives matter and more to do with police brutality on blacks. Please read post 34 on page 2 for studies to show how the rest of your post is ridiculous.

 

[Followers4christ]

If I wanted to watch politics I'd turn on Fox News. I don't need to see this watching a sport.

I'm done with the NFL, period. It has turned into a political dog and pony show and their rating are going to suffer as a result. People are not going to put up with it and will tune it out, like I have. That's fine by me, there's always college football.

As I said on page one this has been going on in sports since the 70s and only now are people whining about it. The civil rights protest in sports has been going on for awhile. Not to mention prior to 2009 players use to stay in the locker rooms during the anthem. It's only after the government paid them to be patriotic that they made a show of it.

 

[Followers4christ]

I'm done with the NFL I want nothing to do with them anymore...No NFL games no NFL anything. On TV or in their stadiums. I'm done!

Well then you can't watch the NBA Or baseball either as they have also protested. All cause you do not respect an opinion that differs from your own.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Not a chance. They were kneeling out of hate, not love.

Do you really know that to be true? Aren't you making an assumption? Is it hateful to say we need less police brutality, or is it hateful to say the present amount of police brutality is just fine?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You can thank Obama for the resurgence of racism...It was nowhere near what it is now before he took the chair. He and Michael are racist to the extreme

The only racist thing they did was to be the race they were born into, and of course we all do that. Black people in the white house brought out racists. Most racists don't realize they are racist. They just swallow lies faster in the racist direction than in the non-racist direction, because its easier to swallow lies in that direction.

 

[majj27]

To me...Their actions border on treason.

Really? I mean, honestly really? Making a non-violent gesture of protest borders on actually working with a foreign power to undermine the government? You're sure about that?

 

[majj27]

You can thank Obama for the resurgence of racism...It was nowhere near what it is now before he took the chair. He and Michael are racist to the extreme

Well, if you have a thing against black people, having one elected president will probably get you worked up, I'd guess.

Also, Michael who? That's a pretty common name.

 

[KWCrazy]

first that's ridiculous as there are plenty of active and retired military that I know of that both love this country and agree with the protest.

Anecdotal evidence. I don't know of a single one. The vets I know are very ticked off.

So no they are not kneeling cause they hate the country.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.
I have a friend who was a Cav Scout. Take a knee in front of him and you'll get knocked cold. In fact, of all the vets I know and work around, I wouldn't recommend disrespecting the flag to any of them.
In my opinion, if you disrespect our nation's flag, you are not worthy of respect yourself.

Next point according to countless reports on the issue show that blacks are targeted more then non-blacks not because of being a criminal but because of the skin color.

No, that's a lie.
There's a reason blacks make up 37% of the prison population while only comprising 13% of the population. They aren't all innocent, my friend. Death by homicide is the number one killer of young black men.
Last year black on white homicides numbered 500. White on black homicides numbered 229. Black on black homicides numbered 2,380. White on white homicides numbered 2,574. source
Blacks are more likely to commit homicides; but it has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the culture of violence celebrated in the music and tolerated in the streets of inner city neighborhoods.

A couple of months after my daughter was born she was taking my daughter for a walk (baby in pink stroller) I was not far behind with my two boys and 3 undercover police cars stop and box her in and get out and question her for being "suspicious".

Your wife wasn't committing a crime, so she had nothing to worry about.
If the police had intercepted someone who looked suspicious in whatever way for whatever reason and prevented them from committing an act of violence against your wife you would have been grateful.

When i confronted the officers

If you confronted the officers you are lucky you weren't arrested. The police have the right to do their job, which is to protect the good citizens like you and your wife from thugs out looking to make trouble.

... cause of nothing more then she was black.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.

She has always been a law abiding citizen and has no record. But of course to you she must of done something wrong right?

She wasn't arrested was she?
Not having all the facts or trusting the biased source, I don't know why they thought she looked suspicious. It could well be that women were thought to be using babies as a cover to make drug deals because nobody would suspect a woman with a baby.
You don't know all the facts, just your side of what happened.

During the 1800s blacks were slaves,

Slavery originated in Africa, where it still exists to this day. Slavery existed in America from 1778 to 1865. No nation ever paid a higher price than the US to abolish slavery. It was one of the predominant reasons for the Civil War. Proportionately, free blacks were far more likely to own slaves than whites. In the inner city right now young women are being trafficked to line the pockets of people who "own" them. That's slavery and it's happening right now. What have YOU done about it?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Anecdotal evidence. I don't know of a single one. The vets I know are very ticked off.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.
I have a friend who was a Cav Scout. Take a knee in front of him and you'll get knocked cold. In fact, of all the vets I know and work around, I wouldn't recommend disrespecting the flag to any of them.
In my opinion, if you disrespect our nation's flag, you are not worthy of respect yourself.

If people are being violent over someone not worshiping a flag or the country then those people are anti-Christ. I'm sure a Christian would "get knocked cold" by someone who doesn't respect Christ or the Bible.

Lots of people are very concerned with the flag and the country getting "respect" because those are their gods. Those same people don't care about respecting Christ or His Word. That's why I don't think much of those anti-Christ people who put the stupid American flag or Stupid America above the True God, Jesus. When it comes to being between Jesus and America, America will go to hell along with all of her worshipers.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Anecdotal evidence. I don't know of a single one. The vets I know are very ticked off.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.
I have a friend who was a Cav Scout. Take a knee in front of him and you'll get knocked cold. In fact, of all the vets I know and work around, I wouldn't recommend disrespecting the flag to any of them.
In my opinion, if you disrespect our nation's flag, you are not worthy of respect yourself.

Kneeling is not disrespecting. However, Trump declared it to be disrespecting, and his sheep follow his lead.

 

[Zoii]

The qualities of a leader include the capacity to inspire through role modeling, the capacity to facilitate change, the ability to establish cohesion and a focused direction... How's the president doing?

 

[mindlight]

N.F.L. players across the country demonstrated during the national anthem on Sunday in a show of solidarity against President Trump, who scolded the league and players on Twitter this weekend.

■ With the support of owners, some of whom joined their teams on the field, dozens of players knelt in silent protests, while Tom Brady and others opted to stand and lock arms.

■ The Seattle Seahawks and the Tennessee Titans stayed in their locker rooms during the anthem in Nashville. The Pittsburgh Steelers also skipped the anthem in Chicago.

■ After the demonstrations began, Mr. Trump weighed in on Twitter, saying he approved of players locking arms, but declaring that kneeling during the anthem was “not acceptable.”

The entire offensive line of the Oakland Raiders, the only line in the N.F.L. made up entirely of African-American players, was joined by virtually the entire team in kneeling or sitting during the national anthem before their game against the host Washington Redskins. It was one of the strongest visual displays of the many protests today, and across the field, the Redskins stood with linked arms as some players chose to kneel.

After Trump Blasts N.F.L., Players Kneel and Lock Arms in Solidarity

I am British so forgive me if I am just being ignorant here. How does not singing a national anthem have anything to do with a protest against a sitting president? To me it just implies that the people who do not sing do not consider themselves American. Afterall presidents come and go but the country remains.

Also why do they kneel during the anthem and who are they kneeling to. If they are kneeling to Gods higher authority then fine , no nation is above that but otherwise this gesture makes no sense to me.

Please explain why this action by these NFL players is remotely meaningful.

 

[Followers4christ]

Anecdotal evidence. I don't know of a single one. The vets I know are very ticked off.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.
I have a friend who was a Cav Scout. Take a knee in front of him and you'll get knocked cold. In fact, of all the vets I know and work around, I wouldn't recommend disrespecting the flag to any of them.
In my opinion, if you disrespect our nation's flag, you are not worthy of respect yourself.

No, that's a lie.
There's a reason blacks make up 37% of the prison population while only comprising 13% of the population. They aren't all innocent, my friend. Death by homicide is the number one killer of young black men.
Last year black on white homicides numbered 500. White on black homicides numbered 229. Black on black homicides numbered 2,380. White on white homicides numbered 2,574. source
Blacks are more likely to commit homicides; but it has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the culture of violence celebrated in the music and tolerated in the streets of inner city neighborhoods.

Your wife wasn't committing a crime, so she had nothing to worry about.
If the police had intercepted someone who looked suspicious in whatever way for whatever reason and prevented them from committing an act of violence against your wife you would have been grateful.

If you confronted the officers you are lucky you weren't arrested. The police have the right to do their job, which is to protect the good citizens like you and your wife from thugs out looking to make trouble.

You do not know the person's heart, just your blind assumptions.

She wasn't arrested was she?
Not having all the facts or trusting the biased source, I don't know why they thought she looked suspicious. It could well be that women were thought to be using babies as a cover to make drug deals because nobody would suspect a woman with a baby.
You don't know all the facts, just your side of what happened.

Slavery originated in Africa, where it still exists to this day. Slavery existed in America from 1778 to 1865. No nation ever paid a higher price than the US to abolish slavery. It was one of the predominant reasons for the Civil War. Proportionately, free blacks were far more likely to own slaves than whites. In the inner city right now young women are being trafficked to line the pockets of people who "own" them. That's slavery and it's happening right now. What have YOU done about it?

Wow really you ignored every link that showed how misguided you were and only saw what you wanted to see. "I don't know a single one" the link I sent you was of a WW2 veteran who is taking a knee.

97-year-old WWII veteran takes a knee to support protesting NFL players

You say "no that's a lie" but ignore a dozen reliable sources on page 2 post 34 that show studies of blacks being more likely to be unarmed and killed then whites, more likely to be arrested falsely, more likely to be pulled over, more likely to be harassed, and more likely to be assaulted. But you ignored all the sources that I provided that went against your views.

The fact that there were white women who had babies in strollers close by and they singled out my wife who was the only black woman with a baby in a stroller and their excuse was she looked suspicious. How does a black woman look more suspicious then anyone else there?

lol I know how to handle police confrontations thank you. As Americans we have the right to question unlawful orders. As long as we do not threaten or put our hands on them. As I am very aware there were cameras around so chances are they would not dare start something.

As you seem to not care of any sources that I have given you nor have you even tried to have a reasonable conversation about the issue. I see no reason to continue until you look in to the sources I have provided, as I have done research with things you have claimed (most of it false). I continue to read sources and have a educated discussion on this topic. So get back at me when you are ready to really talk.

Btw you left out the segregation Of blacks that existed in the 1950s unless you truly believe everything was good after 1865. Also you ignored every source that went against your views. I didn't even mention SF police racist emails controversy or the incident where a Georgia police officer was telling a woman during a traffic stop that police “only kill black people.” So please there are countless sources to the racism and racial profiling done at the hands of the police.

 

[KWCrazy]

If people are being violent over someone not worshiping a flag or the country then those people are anti-Christ.

I never said they were good Christians.
Vets gave a blank check to this country for any amount up to and including their lives. Evil is disrespecting the flag they saw their friends die to protect.

 

[KWCrazy]

Do you really know that to be true? Aren't you making an assumption? Is it hateful to say we need less police brutality, or is it hateful to say the present amount of police brutality is just fine?

The problem is that ever since the drunken drugged out Rodney King was beaten and tased for refusing to cooperate with police after endangering lives while driving drunk, the corrupt media has called everything racism when in almost every incident it turns out that the police were following protocol. In America you do NOT get to resist arrest and attack police.

 

[KWCrazy]

The only racist thing they did was to be the race they were born into, and of course we all do that.

Not true.
Obama inserted himself into the Cambridge police issue which was not a racial incident.
Obama said Devon Martin, the burglar who violently attacked a neighborhood watchman doing his job and reporting suspicious behavior to the police, could have been his son. You couldn't criticise any criminal act the Obama administration did without being called a racist.
Obama was and is a rabble rousing community organizer who gave good speeches. History will record that he was among the poorest presidents in our history; not because of his race; but because he was a corrupt socialist who never liked this country.

 

[KWCrazy]

Wow really you ignored every link

Liberal publications are not sources of information. The media is the primary instigator of racial tensions. Blacks are in the streets protesting because they don't have jobs to go to; thanks primarily to the last 8 years of liberalism.

the link I sent you was of a WW2 veteran who is taking a knee.

As I said, I don't know him. I know many veterans. None of them agree with the protests.

You say "no that's a lie" but ignore a dozen reliable sources on page 2 post 34 that show studies of blacks being more likely to be unarmed and killed then whites

...A a black defendant in a misdemeanor drug possession case is 85.4% more likely to get charged with resisting arrest than a white defendant. source
If you resist the police the police are going to be more wary of you.
I've said all along, if the race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson would tell their followers not to resist arrest, but go along quietly and then sue for false arrest if justified, most of the issues would resolve themselves.
I gave you a true case in point where a young man was killed running away from police because a so-called "pastor" whipped up anti-police sentiment after another young black man was shot while trying to run over two policemen in his car.
Innocent youths are the victims of evil men trying to get publicity.

How does a black woman look more suspicious then anyone else there?

Statistics.
Asians, are there again busting the curve for everyone else, with only 3.7 percent using, versus 9.2 percent for all groups, which is also the white total. But blacks are at 11.3 percent, meaning that they use drugs at a rate 23 percent higher than the general population and whites. source

I don't know what they were looking for. Maybe she fit a description of someone. Without ahving their side I can't comment on that case.

As Americans we have the right to question unlawful orders. As long as we do not threaten or put our hands on them.

You said you confronted them. You said nothing about talking to them in a calm and rational manner.

Btw you left out the segregation Of blacks that existed in the 1950s unless you truly believe everything was good after 1865.

Not the point.
Yes, segregation happened in the 50's.
Yes, Democrats founded the KKK and opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Yes, Al Gore Sr. was instrumental in leading the resistance.
However, as a group blacks vote for Democrats, so you are blaming the race of the people who oppressed you while supporting the political party that inspired them.
Plenty of racism on both sides.

I didn't even mention SF police racist emails controversy or the incident where a Georgia police officer was telling a woman during a traffic stop that police “only kill black people.”

Anecdotal, not systemic. Anyone who believes police only kill black people is just plain stupid.

 

[Breve]

Virtue signaling is what it is.

Here's the solution. Quit playing the national anthem at sporting events.

 

[Followers4christ]

Liberal publications are not sources of information. The media is the primary instigator of racial tensions. Blacks are in the streets protesting because they don't have jobs to go to; thanks primarily to the last 8 years of liberalism.

As I said, I don't know him. I know many veterans. None of them agree with the protests.

...A a black defendant in a misdemeanor drug possession case is 85.4% more likely to get charged with resisting arrest than a white defendant. source
If you resist the police the police are going to be more wary of you.
I've said all along, if the race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson would tell their followers not to resist arrest, but go along quietly and then sue for false arrest if justified, most of the issues would resolve themselves.
I gave you a true case in point where a young man was killed running away from police because a so-called "pastor" whipped up anti-police sentiment after another young black man was shot while trying to run over two policemen in his car.
Innocent youths are the victims of evil men trying to get publicity.

Statistics.
Asians, are there again busting the curve for everyone else, with only 3.7 percent using, versus 9.2 percent for all groups, which is also the white total. But blacks are at 11.3 percent, meaning that they use drugs at a rate 23 percent higher than the general population and whites. source

I don't know what they were looking for. Maybe she fit a description of someone. Without ahving their side I can't comment on that case.

You said you confronted them. You said nothing about talking to them in a calm and rational manner.

Not the point.
Yes, segregation happened in the 50's.
Yes, Democrats founded the KKK and opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Yes, Al Gore Sr. was instrumental in leading the resistance.
However, as a group blacks vote for Democrats, so you are blaming the race of the people who oppressed you while supporting the political party that inspired them.
Plenty of racism on both sides.

Anecdotal, not systemic. Anyone who believes police only kill black people is just plain stupid.

So in other words anything that goes against your views "liberal publications" so the research is real sources? That's ridiculous when I get information I research it and get it from many different sources not just one and then I back it up with other sources. So no they are not all liberal sources as they are from different views of different groups that the study backs up.

I have family and friends who are either veterans or active in the military including my brother who is in the Air Force and they agree with the protest.

When you address my sources and take the time to go through them then I will do the same for you.

Of course you won't comment as you know there was no reason. If they were looking for someone as you put it they would of asked for her ID, but not harass her.

Confronting someone does not always mean yelling at someone. I am a calm person and I confront people in that regard unless provoked to take it to another level.

Nobody said police only kill black people (except that cop in Gerogia).

 

[majj27]

Virtue signaling is what it is.

Here's the solution. Quit playing the national anthem at sporting events.

They get money for doing that.