After Promising to Go Hard on China, Biden Takes a Soft Stance

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Critics are calling out President Biden for failing to address some key issues facing the U.S. during his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping Monday at the G-20. Rather than discuss the origins of COVID-19 or fentanyl coming from China, Biden opted to restart dialogue on climate change instead.
Biden called out for failing to bring up COVID with China’s Xi: ‘Stand up for families’

Fentanyl and Covid killed MILLIONS of Americans, but Biden fails to bring any of it up. I find this hypocritical. Not only did Biden lie when he made a campaign promise to go hard on China, the media and the left failed to hold him accountable. Yet, even though Putin did far less, did their best to destroy Trump and claim he was in Putin's pocket for not pressing him on election interference.
 

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Biden called out for failing to bring up COVID with China’s Xi: ‘Stand up for families’

Fentanyl and Covid killed MILLIONS of Americans, but Biden fails to bring any of it up. I find this hypocritical. Not only did Biden lie when he made a campaign promise to go hard on China, the media and the left failed to hold him accountable. Yet, even though Putin did far less, did their best to destroy Trump and claim he was in Putin's pocket for not pressing him on election interference.

Western leaders in general seem to be intimidated by China. Sad but true. Kind Regards :)
 
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Biden called out for failing to bring up COVID with China’s Xi: ‘Stand up for families’

Fentanyl and Covid killed MILLIONS of Americans, but Biden fails to bring any of it up. I find this hypocritical. Not only did Biden lie when he made a campaign promise to go hard on China, the media and the left failed to hold him accountable. Yet, even though Putin did far less, did their best to destroy Trump and claim he was in Putin's pocket for not pressing him on election interference.
We can expect China to move on Taiwan before Biden leaves office, he has shown his true colors.
 
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We can expect China to move on Taiwan before Biden leaves office, he has shown his true colors.
Would you support a US military intervention to stop China from invading Taiwan?
 
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Western leaders in general seem to be intimidated by China. Sad but true. Kind Regards :)
China holds all sorts of purse strings, which is why businesses are quick to kowtow to them.
 
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Would you support a US military intervention to stop China from invading Taiwan?
yes but it would not have to come to that if we stopped degrading our military and specifically our navy and started taking a hard line stance instead of acting like we have already lost. China is the aggressor and if they are not stopped and held in check we will be part of their world conquests.
 
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Biden called out for failing to bring up COVID with China’s Xi: ‘Stand up for families’

Fentanyl and Covid killed MILLIONS of Americans, but Biden fails to bring any of it up. I find this hypocritical. Not only did Biden lie when he made a campaign promise to go hard on China, the media and the left failed to hold him accountable. Yet, even though Putin did far less, did their best to destroy Trump and claim he was in Putin's pocket for not pressing him on election interference.

He has the priorities correct. Nothing fruitful will come from badgering China about COVID (and there's no real evidence it came from a Chinese lab, anyways). It's better to focus on cooperation in serious matters that affect everyone, than to beat a dead horse.
 
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He has the priorities correct. Nothing fruitful will come from badgering China about COVID (and there's no real evidence it came from a Chinese lab, anyways). It's better to focus on cooperation in serious matters that affect everyone, than to beat a dead horse.
So we should just write off all the deaths and lost revenue and the damage to the education of our children, when we know that China failed to disclose the facts that were well known to them and could have mitigated the damage?
 
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So we should just write off all the deaths and lost revenue and the damage to the education of our children, when we know that China failed to disclose the facts that were well known to them and could have mitigated the damage?

It's wrong to think that China is particularly responsible for COVID-19 deaths. It is not based on sound analysis. Coronavirus sources widely exist in nature. MERS, for instance, is far deadlier than COVID, and came from the Middle East, probably through bats and camels.
 
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He has the priorities correct. Nothing fruitful will come from badgering China about COVID (and there's no real evidence it came from a Chinese lab, anyways). It's better to focus on cooperation in serious matters that affect everyone, than to beat a dead horse.

China is an country so ancient, it's earliest history talks about the restoration of the country. It's ways of doing things are set regardless of ideologies. I don't think China has ever had real cooperation with anyone. Until the West came in the 19th Century, China had always been the supreme power, with all others as enemies or vassals. They may be "communist" now, but how they do things hints that maybe the old way of seeing the world has never truly ended. China does not seek cooperation: it seeks vassals.

The West needs to keep this in mind. We're seen this with Chinese influence in foreign business affairs, an yes, with the virus that surfaced in Wuhan. That's interesting in itself, and not just the origin. Every other strain of virus tends to be named after it's place of origin or discovery. Look up the names of strains of influenza virus for an example. But not the virus from Wuhan. No, that we call COVID-19. Normal naming practices were suddenly "racist" in China's case, or so it's claimed. It was most instructive how quickly the West capitulated. Most instructive, indeed. Sort of like watching an old Soviet May Day parade and seeing who is or isn't on the review stand. China already wields far more power in the West than I think we realize.

That makes current courses of action in the US, all of which is weaken the country, all the more interesting. It doesn't mean that China's behind it. All China would have to do is smile and watch. But it does mean we're not paying attention to what's happening right before our eyes, and not acting accordingly, which would be to enact laws to encourage US energy production, including fossil fuels, and to make it more attractive to manufacture things in the US than overseas. Especially electronics.

Which brings us to something interesting about Taiwan. The last I heard, Taiwan has chip manufacturing facilities that neither China or the US has. With any other president in the Whitehouse, that would give the US leverage against Chinese invasion: "Well, you could invade Taiwan, but it would be a shame if something happened to that plant. Just a shame." That, of course, might hurt the US more than China, but we need to ask why such plants aren't here in the US to begin with.

I've rambled on far too long this morning (or for any other time). If you haven't read it, Henry Kissenger's On China is informative. Kissenger isn't a favorite of mine, and at times in the book he seems a bit enamored with China, but it' a good primer.
 
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So we should just write off all the deaths and lost revenue and the damage to the education of our children, when we know that China failed to disclose the facts that were well known to them and could have mitigated the damage?

Lost revenue and damage to children's education we did to ourselves. Like the reaction of one nearby town than forbade large gatherings to slow the spread. That's logical. But then they went and enacted a curfew. Let's see...large gatherings were forbidden, so why enact a curfew, too? It was like some people around here buying water when they feared shutdowns.
 
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China is a country so ancient, its earliest history talks about the restoration of the country. Its ways of doing things are set regardless of ideologies. I don't think China has ever had real cooperation with anyone. Until the West came in the 19th Century, China had always been the supreme power, with all others as enemies or vassals. They may be "communist" now, but how they do things hints that maybe the old way of seeing the world has never truly ended. China does not seek cooperation: it seeks vassals.

This could make an interesting but likely outside a COVID discussion.

The West needs to keep this in mind. We're seen this with Chinese influence in foreign business affairs, an yes, with the virus that surfaced in Wuhan. That's interesting in itself, and not just the origin. Every other strain of virus tends to be named after its place of origin or discovery. Look up the names of strains of influenza virus for an example. But not the virus from Wuhan. No, that we call COVID-19. Normal naming practices were suddenly "racist" in China's case, or so it's claimed. It was most instructive how quickly the West capitulated. Most instructive, indeed. Sort of like watching an old Soviet May Day parade and seeing who is or isn't on the review stand. China already wields far more power in the West than I think we realize.

No, it is false propaganda some were claiming that viruses are named for where they are from. Instead, the WHO developed the current naming convention in 2015 -- before, there was no common naming convention, you'd get names based on location it was first seen (MERS, Spanish Flu, etc.), animal species it came from (swine flu, bird flu, etc), or it would be named for people (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Chagas disease, etc.). It is also worth noting that the Spanish Flu did not originate in Spain; it was the media that "named" it because the Spanish -- who remained neutral -- reported on the disease where as other countries did not report on it due to wartime secrecy. Regardless, the naming conventions had changed several years before and had zero to do with China.

That makes current courses of action in the US, all of which is weaken the country, all the more interesting. It doesn't mean that China's behind it. All China would have to do is smile and watch. But it does mean we're not paying attention to what's happening right before our eyes, and not acting accordingly, which would be to enact laws to encourage US energy production, including fossil fuels, and to make it more attractive to manufacture things in the US than overseas. Especially electronics.

Which brings us to something interesting about Taiwan. The last I heard, Taiwan has chip manufacturing facilities that neither China or the US has. With any other president in the Whitehouse, that would give the US leverage against Chinese invasion: "Well, you could invade Taiwan, but it would be a shame if something happened to that plant. Just a shame." That, of course, might hurt the US more than China, but we need to ask why such plants aren't here in the US to begin with.

I've rambled on far too long this morning (or for any other time). If you haven't read it, Henry Kissenger's On China is informative. Kissenger isn't a favorite of mine, and at times in the book he seems a bit enamored with China, but it' a good primer.

I do believe there are some laws to encourage energy production -- though much of the issue does seem to be that we are in the middle of a 'transitional' period, where we are switching from fossil fuel based power generation (gas, natural gas, coal, etc) to more sustainable types of power generation. Additionally, the Inflation Reduction act also included money to encourage mining of "rare Earth" needed and that are currently largely sourced from China.
 
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No, it is false propaganda some were claiming that viruses are named for where they are from. Instead, the WHO developed the current naming convention in 2015 -- before, there was no common naming convention, you'd get names based on location it was first seen (MERS, Spanish Flu, etc.), animal species it came from (swine flu, bird flu, etc), or it would be named for people (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Chagas disease, etc.). It is also worth noting that the Spanish Flu did not originate in Spain; it was the media that "named" it because the Spanish -- who remained neutral -- reported on the disease where as other countries did not report on it due to wartime secrecy. Regardless, the naming conventions had changed several years before and had zero to do with China.

Here's the virus strains the 2022-2023 Influenza vaccine targets: Note the names of the strains:


I do believe there are some laws to encourage energy production -- though much of the issue does seem to be that we are in the middle of a 'transitional' period, where we are switching from fossil fuel based power generation (gas, natural gas, coal, etc) to more sustainable types of power generation. Additionally, the Inflation Reduction act also included money to encourage mining of "rare Earth" needed and that are currently largely sourced from China.
The only thing we're transitioning to is paupers. Without ways of storing electricity, renewables are the FTX of energy production: one day the chickens will come home to roost. Of course, we could build nuclear and come close to this marvelous magical world that will only really work within city limits, but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
 
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Here's the virus strains the 2022-2023 Influenza vaccine targets: Note the names of the strains:


Yes, because influenza is not a new disease, therefore it is not named as a new disease. Notice you aren't getting a "Victoria" or "Alberta" virus shot, etc. but you just get a flu shot. The WHO naming practices are only for "new human infectious diseases," not for new strains of old diseases. I also find the new naming conventions for new strains of diseases to be more worthwhile, using the Greek alphabet to identify the various strains if for no other reason that it makes it easy to see how it progressed (what order the strains mutated in). It is also worth noting, even under current Virus naming conventions -- if COVID had been a virus -- it would be known as the "Bat" virus and not China virus, like the bird flu, swine flu, etc.

The only thing we're transitioning to is paupers. Without ways of storing electricity, renewables are the FTX of energy production: one day the chickens will come home to roost. Of course, we could build nuclear and come close to this marvelous magical world that will only really work within city limits, but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
If you want to talk about that separately, it could be an interesting topic. I agree, we aren't doing enough and nuclear is a valid type of energy for the transition period. At the same time, the Democrats have tried to take steps to reduce our reliance on China -- as such, this OP is not the place to discuss it (it is not Biden blocking a transition of our grid away from foreign sources).
 
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China is an country so ancient, it's earliest history talks about the restoration of the country. It's ways of doing things are set regardless of ideologies. I don't think China has ever had real cooperation with anyone. Until the West came in the 19th Century, China had always been the supreme power, with all others as enemies or vassals. They may be "communist" now, but how they do things hints that maybe the old way of seeing the world has never truly ended. China does not seek cooperation: it seeks vassals.

I don't think that's a fair or informed view. China is not a particularly militaristic nation. China didn't see the rest of the world as enemies, but as barbarians and uncivilized- to be left alone unless China was attacked by them. And judging by how the British pushed drugs like opium into China, it's not hard to agree with their sentiments towards the rest of the world.

Which brings us to something interesting about Taiwan. The last I heard, Taiwan has chip manufacturing facilities that neither China or the US has. With any other president in the Whitehouse, that would give the US leverage against Chinese invasion: "Well, you could invade Taiwan, but it would be a shame if something happened to that plant. Just a shame." That, of course, might hurt the US more than China, but we need to ask why such plants aren't here in the US to begin with.


It's not in Chinese interests to invade Taiwan, they would lose valuable trade they depend on. It's also not in US interests to start WWIII over Taiwan.

Plants are in Taiwan and not the US because Taiwan invested in its people and infrastructure. The US did not.
 
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I don't think that's a fair or informed view. China is not a particularly militaristic nation. China didn't see the rest of the world as enemies, but as barbarians and uncivilized- to be left alone unless China was attacked by them. And judging by how the British pushed drugs like opium into China, it's not hard to agree with their sentiments towards the rest of the world.




It's not in Chinese interests to invade Taiwan, they would lose valuable trade they depend on. It's also not in US interests to start WWIII over Taiwan.

Plants are in Taiwan and not the US because Taiwan invested in its people and infrastructure. The US did not.
The facts seem to disagree with this post.
 
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