adding up Senator Sanders campaign proposals

[Mountainmanbob]

19 trillion

Adding Up Senator Sanders's Campaign Proposals So Far

 

[Silverback]

19 trillion

Adding Up Senator Sanders's Campaign Proposals So Far

This does not include the green new deal, or, slave reparations. Both of which will likely cost trillions more.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

This does not include the green new deal, or, slave reparations. Both of which will likely cost trillions more.

Guess I should not be too concerned since I will not be alive long enough to see it paid off.

But then there are my concerns for my grandchildren.

M-Bob

 

[.Mikha'el.]

How is this relevant? It's from 2016.

 

[Silverback]

Guess I should not be too concerned since I will not be alive long enough to see it paid off.

But then there are my concerns for my grandchildren.

M-Bob

I hear you, people never realize that where your money goes is where your rights go.

 

[Albion]

How is this relevant? It's from 2016.

Unless the senator and candidate for president has withdrawn some of his proposals--which I do not think has happened--then it is quite relevant as part of the enormous debt he wants to saddle the country with.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

How is this relevant? It's from 2016.

That's right it's probably much higher now?
M-Bob

 

[Silverback]

Unless the senator and candidate for president has withdrawn some of his proposals--which I do not think has happened--then it is quite relevant as part of the enormous debt he wants to saddle the country with.

It's all about control, like most career politicians he is about Bernie Sanders first, everything that comes after that, comes after that.

All these programs he is proposing will require the people to interact with the soon to be enormous federal government. The Government will control every aspect of your life.

Most people will applaude it until they are told:

"well you are 56 now, not as productive as a 30 year old" and you are also to expensive in relation to your health. Regretfully, in order to care for the younger generation of workers, we will be forced to ration your level of healthcare, but you do have options.

1. Pay for your own healthcare (at one of our facilities of course)

2. Accept assisted suicide (at one of our facilities of course)

3. Accept pain relief therapy only (to be provided by one of our facilities of course.

4. Leave your possessions, wealth, and property, and move to another country.

Sound familiar?

 

[SimplyMe]

From what I found, it appears that Americans spent $3.5 trillion on healthcare in 2017 -- so $35 trillion over ten years. So it seems that Sander's plans, if they really only cost $19 trillion, would save money. That is even after accounting for Medicare, which was just over $700 billion in spending -- meaning that accounts for less than half ($7 trillion) of the $16 trillion that allegedly would be saved.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

From what I found, it appears that Americans spent $3.5 trillion on healthcare in 2017 -- so $35 trillion over ten years. So it seems that Sander's plans, if they really only cost $19 trillion, would save money. That is even after accounting for Medicare, which was just over $700 billion in spending -- meaning that accounts for less than half ($7 trillion) of the $16 trillion that allegedly would be saved.

You can't post legitimate facts like that because it blows holes through the narrative of the thread.

 

[PeachyKeane]

From what I found, it appears that Americans spent $3.5 trillion on healthcare in 2017 -- so $35 trillion over ten years. So it seems that Sander's plans, if they really only cost $19 trillion, would save money. That is even after accounting for Medicare, which was just over $700 billion in spending -- meaning that accounts for less than half ($7 trillion) of the $16 trillion that allegedly would be saved.

It should be noted that we spend around twice as much per capita on healthcare (including health insurance) as pretty much every other developed nation (or really, any nation for that matter). Yet, by most health related metrics we fall behind most developed nation.

It's like going to a car dealership, dishing out $50,000, and having them bring out a Kia Sorento. Used.

Either we should be paying a lot less, or we should be getting a (much) better product.

 

[hislegacy]

At least this time he is openly admitting that everyone’s taxes will rise to pay for it.

 

[hislegacy]

I have always found the most dam*ing evidence

Why did you put a * in the middle of the word?

 

[98cwitr]

Thats an annual tax hike of $58,823 for every American. Sorry Bernie, you'd be putting the middle class in the poor house.

 

[Kentonio]

It's all about control, like most career politicians he is about Bernie Sanders first, everything that comes after that, comes after that.

All these programs he is proposing will require the people to interact with the soon to be enormous federal government. The Government will control every aspect of your life.

Most people will applaude it until they are told:

"well you are 56 now, not as productive as a 30 year old" and you are also to expensive in relation to your health. Regretfully, in order to care for the younger generation of workers, we will be forced to ration your level of healthcare, but you do have options.

1. Pay for your own healthcare (at one of our facilities of course)

2. Accept assisted suicide (at one of our facilities of course)

3. Accept pain relief therapy only (to be provided by one of our facilities of course.

4. Leave your possessions, wealth, and property, and move to another country.

Sound familiar?

Right wing American fantasies are funny.

 

[SimplyMe]

Thats an annual tax hike of $58,823 for every American. Sorry Bernie, you'd be putting the middle class in the poor house.

I think you need to check your math.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Thats an annual tax hike of $58,823 for every American. Sorry Bernie, you'd be putting the middle class in the poor house.

That's $19 trillion over ten years, so you're off by a factor of ten. Then consider that we currently spend over $10,000 per person annually on healthcare right now. So in reality, it's a savings of $4000 per person per year.

 

[98cwitr]

That's $19 trillion over ten years, so you're off by a factor of ten. Then consider that we currently spend over $10,000 per person annually on healthcare right now. So in reality, it's a savings of $4000 per person per year.

Ah ok...so only $5.8k hike per year. Thanks for the correction.

Assuming there are no deductibles nor copays any longer?

 

[Ringo84]

"Oh no! These programs might cost money!"

"Billions of dollars in give aways and tax cuts for billionaires? Why not!"
Ringo

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Ah ok...so only $5.8k hike per year. Thanks for the correction.

Assuming there are no deductibles nor copays any longer?

The bulk of that $10k is insurance (my employer pays about $11k/year for my health coverage), and I would assume that deductibles would be gone. Copays are minimal - a few hundred dollars a year at most unless you are taking a ton of medication.