Actually, those who are raptured will be gathered up and burned.

[Francis Drake]

Show us How this passage means what you say instead of what IT says:

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Show us the scriptural instruction that teaches you the "THEY" of verse 38 is a wholly different set of people from the THEM of verse 39.

Errr?
I think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick!
I never said they were a wholly different group of people. Of course the wicked in v38 are the same as those swept away by the flood of v39.

Maybe you should also read the comment I was replying to, then you will understand the context.

@Michael Collum said this.-
"1) as in the days of Noah and as in the days of Sodom this illustrates the removal of the wicked."

I was merely arguing for the taking away of the righteous Noah and remaining behind of the wicked, (which of course were all swept away by the flood waters).
Meanwhile the wicked at Sodom ended up staying forever as part of the local geography! Lol

 

[Dkh587]

That is surely a perverse interpretation.
In the flood, the wicked stayed exactly where they were and all died, whereas Noah was taken in the ark above the destruction, safely kept by the power of God.
In Sodom, the wicked stayed exactly where they were, and all died, whereas Lot and his daughters were taken by the angels to a place of safety.
That's what Jesus said would happen when he returned, ie. the rapture.

In the flood, the wicked were destroyed, and Noah was left behind. After the judgement, Noah was still there. The wicked were gone.

sure, Lot went to a different land, but guess what? He was left behind after the judgement of Sodom & Gomorrah. The wicked were taken away.

 

[RickReads]

So which scriptures support the notion that the rapture is something for Christians to fear? Which is the position taken by the OP.

My answers to that question can be found in my "Do you want to be taken or left behind?" thread, but I can`t speak for the beliefs of the OP.

 

[parousia70]

I don't get it either is there supposed to be something good about this world right now? Something worth preserving? Can't people see that this is a very dark world and that it's going to hell in a handbasket?

John 3:16 is not Fake News.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (Jn 3:16-17) and rules over (Rev 1:5; Mt 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Rom 4:13-18/1 Cor 3:22).

Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.

 

[parousia70]

Errr?
I think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick!
I never said they were a wholly different group of people. Of course the wicked in v38 are the same as those swept away by the flood of v39.

And Just as the days of Noe, the wicked were to be be taken, and the righteous left behind on earth.

Seems we are in agreement

 

[Bruce Leiter]

Matthew 13

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’

Why do people think being raptured is a good thing?

This is a parable, which is a story that makes one single point in its context. This story isn't about the rapture. The bundles of weeds (tares) are unbelievers whose selfish lives will end.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

This is a parable, which is a story that makes one single point in its context.

Disagree.

 

[Dkh587]

Well, you may not want to be taken away.... but.. I bet you will be glad when you are.

there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for those who are taken away.

 

[Neogaia777]

The wicked were not "taken", or taken up or out or away, they were simply killed, and there is a big, huge difference, unless your going to say that people like Elijah and Enoch were taken to be in hell, etc...

You theology and thinking about the rapture is seriously flawed...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The wicked were not "taken", or taken up or out or away, they were simply killed, and there is a big, huge difference, unless your going to say that people like Elijah and Enoch were taken to be in hell, etc...

You theology and thinking about the rapture is seriously flawed...

God Bless!

Those who are raptured in these last days, are taken up only temporarily, until those left behind should be devastated, then they will return with Christ, which is where they temporarily go/went, anyway, after the wicked that are left behind are all but gone, and all their systems completely devastated/destroyed, God and/or Jesus Christ will return to earth with them that were raptured to join the remnant that are/were left over from the great tribulation, or that catastrophe, and all of them together will set up God's kingdom on earth to rule and reign for a thousand years, or in a whole new age until the end of this entire creation age, where a final judgement and testing of all of them awaits, after which time, those who do not fall or falter or fail, will become like angels in heaven, and will take part in a whole new heavens and earth or creation age again, or all over again...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Those who are raptured in these last days, are taken up only temporarily, until those left behind should be devastated, then they will return with Christ, which is where they temporarily go/went, anyway, after the wicked that are left behind are all but gone, and all their systems completely devastated/destroyed, God and/or Jesus Christ will return to earth with them that were raptured to join the remnant that are/were left over from the great tribulation, or that catastrophe, and all of them together will set up God's kingdom on earth to rule and reign for a thousand years, or in a whole new age until the end of this entire creation age, where a final judgement and testing of all of them awaits, after which time, those who do not fall or falter or fail, will become like angels in heaven, and will take part in a whole new heavens and earth or creation age again, or all over again...

God Bless!

And not all get to take part in this new age or era with Christ until the end of this entire creation age (first resurrection) some are just simply killed, and are suspended or sleep, until the end of that age or era or time, when all are brought back or are all resurrected together (second resurrection) for the final testing and/or judgement at the end of this entire creation age, etc, when, afterwards, some will wind up going to be in heaven, and some will wind going to or being in hell, or the lake of fire, along with the Devil and his angels after the one final testing for one last time, before the entire end of this whole entire creation era or age, etc, when a whole new one will be ready to begin again, in which those who pass the tests, and all of the tests, will all get to all take part in at that time, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Dkh587]

The wicked were not "taken", or taken up or out or away, they were simply killed, and there is a big, huge difference, unless your going to say that people like Elijah and Enoch were taken to be in hell, etc...

You theology and thinking about the rapture is seriously flawed...

God Bless!

Christ taught that the wicked were taken away by the flood, and said that his return would be just like that.

Matthew 24:37-39

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Neogaia777]

Christ taught that the wicked were taken away by the flood, and said that his return would be just like that.

Matthew 24:37-39

The flood killed them, is all that is saying... The flood is not a rapture...

Your taking one word and single wording (that may not even be there in other languages) and trying to twist it to fit some kind of very off idea you have about the whole entire rapture that you have seemed to have latched onto for some God only knows what reason that is certainly not Godly, or even Biblical, etc...

Elijah an Enoch did not go to hell, and neither are those one going in the coming rapture going to hell either...

Why do you even say this...?

Cause it's most certainly not Biblical, etc...

How is being caught up to meet Jesus in the air to come back with Him later on after some sort of catastrophe on earth, going to hell, etc...?

You need to rethink some things...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Christ taught that the wicked were taken away by the flood, and said that his return would be just like that.

Matthew 24:37-39

I already pointed it out to you about your error in how you were applying or interpreting Matthew 13 of your OP in post #86 of this thread...

Give it up already...

Your wrong, so just admit it...

Your twisting scripture to fit some kind of agenda of yours that is not on the side of truth, and is not on the side of the truth of all scripture when taken as a combined whole, etc...

And your word in question just simply does not mean what your trying to make it mean also...

It just means the flood killed them and that's all, etc... Took them away from the land of the living, etc...

And the flood is not a or the rapture, etc...

If anything, and as it classically interpreted, the flood is the coming devastation for those remaining on earth, and is not at all the rapture, or is about those being raptured temporarily while it going on or is happening, etc...

Your way, way off, etc...

God Bless!

 

[JacksBratt]

there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for those who are taken away.

What?

Scripture please.

 

[Neogaia777]

Christ taught that the wicked were taken away by the flood, and said that his return would be just like that.

Matthew 24:37-39

Jesus said that in these last days before his age and era, or before his coming and/or appearing or setting up His Kingdom, and/or ruling and reigning until the end of this entire creation age and era, etc, that the people today would be just like how they were doing, and just as oblivious and ignorant, etc, as they were doing and/or were back in the days of Noah right before the flood, etc, and, if anything, the rapture is likened to Noah entering into the Ark and the door being closed and permanently sealed shut until after the flood, or the coming devastation that would/will come for those left behind, and who (those who had entered into the Ark, or were raptured, etc) would only be coming out/back afterward after the devastation for those left behind or not included was over with, and after most of those other people who had not entered into the Ark or that were not raptured who were left behind had died, etc, but with only a small remnant remaining for those ones that were left behind, etc, which the others who had entered into the Ark, or were raptured, and were not originally left behind, etc, would come back and join up with those ones left over that were left behind along with Jesus Christ to set up His Kingdom and rule and reign until the entire end of this whole entire whole creation age and/or era, in which there would be a final testing or judgement or resurrection for all (and not just the first ones) at the very, very end of all of it or it all, etc, then all would begin all over again, etc, with some having gone to hell or being cast into the lake of fire, and some having gone to or become just like angels in heaven at that time right before the beginning of another time, or whole new creation era or age or time, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus said that in these last days before his age and era, or before his coming and/or appearing or setting up His Kingdom, and/or ruling and reigning until the end of this entire creation age and era, etc, that the people today would be just like how they were doing, and just as oblivious and ignorant, etc, as they were doing and/or were back in the days of Noah right before the flood, etc, and, if anything, the rapture is likened to Noah entering into the Ark and the door being closed and permanently sealed shut until after the flood, or the coming devastation that would/will come for those left behind, and who (those who had entered into the Ark, or were raptured, etc) would only be coming out/back afterward after the devastation for those left behind or not included was over with, and after most of those other people who had not entered into the Ark or that were not raptured who were left behind had died, etc, but with only a small remnant remaining for those ones that were left behind, etc, which the others who had entered into the Ark, or were raptured, and were not originally left behind, etc, would come back and join up with those ones left over that were left behind along with Jesus Christ to set up His Kingdom and rule and reign until the entire end of this whole entire whole creation age and/or era, in which there would be a final testing or judgement or resurrection for all (and not just the first ones) at the very, very end of all of it or it all, etc, then all would begin all over again, etc, with some having gone to hell or being cast into the lake of fire, and some having gone to or become just like angels in heaven at that time right before the beginning of another time, or whole new creation era or age or time, etc...

God Bless!

Your hope is to either be one of those ones who is raptured, or be a part of the remnant, or be one of those who, at the second and final resurrection or test or judgement, is not one of those ones who winds up in hell or going to hell or being cast into the lake of fire at the final resurrection or testing or judgement, if you do not get to take part in that first resurrection or judgement, etc, otherwise, your screwed, and screwed eternally after that, for there are no more chances left after that, etc...

If you get to take part in the first, then you have more than a few, or more than a couple of chances still left after that, which is why the Bible says those getting to take part in it are very happy after that, etc, but if don't get to take part in it, then there is only one chance left for you after that, and that will only be at the second and final resurrection or test or testing or tempting and/or judgment, and if you don't pass after that, then there are no more chances left for you anymore, and anymore forever, after that...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Your hope is to either be one of those ones who is raptured, or be a part of the remnant, or be one of those who, at the second and final resurrection or test or judgement, is not one of those ones who winds up in hell or going to hell or being cast into the lake of fire at the final resurrection or testing or judgement, if you do not get to take part in that first resurrection or judgement, etc, otherwise, your screwed, and screwed eternally after that, for there are no more chances left after that, etc...

If you get to take part in the first, then you have more than a few, or more than a couple of chances still left after that, which is why the Bible says those getting to take part in it are very happy after that, etc, but if don't get to take part in it, then there is only one chance left for you after that, and that will only be at the second and final resurrection or test or testing or tempting and/or judgment, and if you don't pass after that, then there are no more chances left for you anymore, and anymore forever, after that...

God Bless!

Oh I also forgot to mention that there will also be those who have died that will take part in the first resurrection or judgement or new age or era or Kingdom of Christ, with Christ, etc, but not all of them, or not everyone yet, that happens at the very very end of this whole creation age or at the end of this whole time or creation age or era of time and before a whole new one begins all over again, or at the second or very last resurrection or judgement, etc...

Forgot to mention that...

God Bless!

 

[Dkh587]

The flood killed them, is all that is saying... The flood is not a rapture...

Your taking one word and single wording (that may not even be there in other languages) and trying to twist it to fit some kind of very off idea you have about the whole entire rapture that you have seemed to have latched onto for some God only knows what reason that is certainly not Godly, or even Biblical, etc...

Elijah an Enoch did not go to hell, and neither are those one going in the coming rapture going to hell either...

Why do you even say this...?

Cause it's most certainly not Biblical, etc...

How is being caught up to meet Jesus in the air to come back with Him later on after some sort of catastrophe on earth, going to hell, etc...?

You need to rethink some things...

God Bless!

You’re trying to force your false/erroneous rapture doctrine onto the words of Christ.

This is why your doctrine doesn’t line up with his plain teaching on his return and the taking away of the wicked and the leaving behind of the righteous.

 

[Dkh587]

What?

Scripture please.

When Christ was teaching his disciples about his return and the judgement of the righteous and the wicked, this is what he said about those taken away:

Matthew 13:36-43

Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

the ones gathered out(taken away) out of his kingdom are thrown into the fire, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

the righteous are left behind.

there is no secret rapture - that is a false doctrine.