Actually, those who are raptured will be gathered up and burned.

[Danigt22]

Actually, the Christian resurrection teaching features a full body resurrection.

The soul resurrection was a hedonist idea, not a Christian teaching.

The Christian resurrection was thought to be so absurd for its time.

So when the body and person is resurrected, that is the resurrection.

Yes, that is our spiritual body. The saints in rev 5 9 have to be us. We are make king and priests. We already have bodies.

 

[chad kincham]

But the Matthew event and the 1st Thessalonians event are not the same event.

In the Matthew 24 event, if you look real hard, you’ll find that it’s GODS ELECT that are gathered together from all over the world - and not the tares.

That’s still a good thing, not a bad thing.

Shalom.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

OK i see where you're getting that. So the reapers are figurative and actually angels. And the tares are figurative and actually people. Is the fire figurative? Also, is it a fire or a winepress?

The fire is God's presence.

God is everywhere, and only those who have taken time to prepare for the world where God is everywhere in the form that scared people in the time of Moses will be able to enjoy it. It will be hell for everyone else.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, that is our spiritual body. The saints in rev 5 9 have to be us.

It's all the saints, but not resurrected yet.

Depending on when the events occur, it may be us - or we may be those still on the ground.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In the Matthew 24 event, if you look real hard, you’ll find that it’s GODS ELECT that are gathered together from all over the world - and not the tares.

That’s still a good thing, not a bad thing.

Shalom.

So glad I posted, there have been a lot of good discussions so far.

 

[Danigt22]

It's all the saints, but not resurrected yet.

Depending on when the events occur, it may be us - or we may be those still on the ground.

They are already made king and priest. So the resurrection already happen.

 

[Danigt22]

It's all the saints, but not resurrected yet.

Depending on when the events occur, it may be us - or we may be those still on the ground.

"9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

They are already made king and priest. So the resurrection already happen.

Not really, born again individuals are royalty and priests in God's kingdom - so that does not prove resurrection since that was true of them before they died.

 

[Danigt22]

Not really, born again individuals are royalty and priests in God's kingdom - so that does not prove resurrection since that was true of them before they died.

This is something only Melchisedec can do, if we dont have his body. What authority we could have?

 

[Danigt22]

Not really, born again individuals are royalty and priests in God's kingdom - so that does not prove resurrection since that was true of them before they died.

Also the dispensation of grace is different during the tribulation. You have to earn the blood of the lamb.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

This is something only Melchisedec can do, if we dont have his body. What authority we could have?

This is covered in Hebrews 7. We have this in Jesus.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Also the dispensation of grace is different during the tribulation. You have to earn the blood of the lamb.

Where's that written?

 

[Danigt22]

This is covered in Hebrews 7. We have this in Jesus.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

Yes, because we are seal with the promise of the holy ghost. It doesnt mean it is before the resurrection.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, because we are seal with the promise of the holy ghost. It doesnt mean it is before the resurrection.

This was posted because you disputed that we were not royalty and priests already.

Because we are while we live, the verse you posted indicates souls are there, but not resurrected people.

Soul or partial resurrection was a teaching that competitors to Christianity taught during the time of the apostles. It's not a Christian teaching.

 

[chad kincham]

Jesus states that it will be "as in the days of Noah (and Lot)" when he comes. The primary message there is that it was the righteous who were snatched away and protected, while those that remained were destroyed.

Lk17v26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

That’s talking about the fact, that just as in the days of Noah, where they went about their daily lives oblivious to the death that was coming - and that history will repeat itself, when Jesus returns in flaming fire, with a sword, and the wrath of God, and kill the evil people who are once again going about their daily lives oblivious to the death that’s coming.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

 

[Danigt22]

This was posted because you disputed that we were not royalty and priests already.

Because we are while we live, the verse you posted indicates souls are there, but not resurrected people.

Soul or partial resurrection was a teaching that competitors to Christianity taught during the time of the apostles. It's not a Christian teaching.

So, are they resurrected or not? Im the one saying they already have spiritual bodies in rev 5 9. For some reason you suggest a soul one.

Revelation 7:14
“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

They need to came out of great tribulation in order to get save. That is not our gospel of salvation.
And they are also back under the law. Something we are free from.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So, are they resurrected or not? Im the one saying they already have spiritual bodies in rev 5 9. For some reason you suggest a soul one.

Revelation 7:14
“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

They need to came out of great tribulation in order to get save. That is not our gospel of salvation.

They are not resurrected for previously stated reasons.

The posts I'm reading from you are making less and less sense. I think we'll need to agree that we disagree.

 

[Danigt22]

They are not resurrected for previously stated reasons.

The posts I'm reading from you are making less and less sense. I think we'll need to agree that we disagree.

It never made any sense post tribulation rapture for me. Never will tbh.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It never made any sense post tribulation rapture for me. Never will tbh.

I got that sense. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Danigt22]

I got that sense. Thanks for the discussion.

You are welcome, eschatology really doesnt matter if we are wrong or right.