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Active People of Faith oppose Abortion - apparently

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by BobRyan, Jun 25, 2022.

  1. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Considering the number of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion, I very much doubt that.
     
  2. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    I don't think so. In Roe vs Wade, the states were directed to establish "point of viability." But this was ignored in favor of extending abortion "rights" to the point of birth. Thus the original Supreme Court decision was abused.

    As Judge Alito wrote, "its most important rule (that States cannot protect fetal life prior to ‘viability’) was never raised by any Opinion of the Court party and has never been plausibly explained."
     
  3. KerimF

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    What I know is that all those who are created to play the powerful rich people, anywhere in the world, (Jesus refers to them as 'the rich man') have no choice but following their instincts of survival, superiority and selfishness, to name a few, when dealing with their people who have also no choice but obeying their rules. But this doesn't prevent anyone to believe, after hearing some great inspiring speeches, that 'some members' of his powerful rich class are made of (or guided by) good angels/spirits.

    Sorry, because I will be real surprised if abortion will be allowed in 'all' States in America while there are clear signs that the well-planned Europe Spring (by the World's Elite, mainly those in Russia, China and America) is on the door soon (likely, not longer than a year). So, in the near future, Europe will have to be saved again as it was done in WW2.
    I wish I am wrong but this is how the world is supposed to run since always. On my side, I am a free human being. I don't mind obeying any rule as long it doesn't contradict my Unconditional Love towards all others {Matthew 5:44-45}.
     
  4. FireDragon76

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    No, it wasn't. Almost all third trimester abortions are done on pregnancies that involve fetuses that aren't viable or that are severely malformed.
     
  5. KCfromNC

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    Given how unpopular the court's decision is, one might expect lots of spin to try and deflect the discussion to anything else between now and the election. For example, by trying to claim that agreeing with it is correlated with being a more "active" Christian. Or by posts attempting to blame democrats for the votes of supreme court justices appointed by republican presidents.
     
  6. BobRyan

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    agreed. Two different groups

    So also in the case noted below... "two different groups"

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    from: Reactions to the End of Roe Reveal Divisions Between Religious Leaders

    "According to the Public Religion Research Institute, 43% of Americans who “identify strongly” with their religious identity do not believe Roe v. Wade needed to be overturned. There’s a wide variability within the ranks, however. A majority (56%) of U.S. Catholics believe abortion should be legal, but only 30% of Catholics who attend mass weekly. Similarly, 60% of mainline protestants favor abortion being legal, but only 30% of white evangelical protestants. A slight majority of Muslims and a large majority of Jews also believe abortion should be legal in most cases."

    70% of Catholics who attend mass weekly - apparently do not believe abortion is ok
    70% of white evangelical protestants do not favor abortion
     
  7. BobRyan

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    Abortionists admit that third trimester abortions are done on healthy babies

    "Infamous late-term abortionist George Tiller admitted the same, telling a National Abortion Federation audience in 1995, “We have some experience with late terminations; about 10,000 patients between 24 and 36 weeks and something like 800 fetal anomalies between 26 and 36 weeks in the past 5 years.” That equates to a mere eight percent of Tiller’s late-term patients who aborted because their babies were diagnosed prenatally with a health condition."
     
  8. KerimF

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    I wonder if, in Jesus time, it was possible for a woman to abort safely, in one way or another.
     
  9. BobRyan

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    according to the text in the OP - it would be considered a "sin" to do it - even if it could be done without harm to the woman.
     
  10. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Is that the same George Tiller a violent pro-life protester murdered in cold blood?

    Abortion Doctor Shot to Death in Kansas Church (Published 2009)
     
  11. BobRyan

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    not sure if he is the same one. But it was helpful of the doctor in the original post to admit to what happens in real life - so some of the false claims could be set aside.
     
  12. KerimF

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    Sorry for not being clearer.
    You are right. To Jews in the least, it had to be a sin.
    But perhaps women at that time had no idea yet how to abort without risking their life.
    Is it possible to know if safe abortion was known or not, in Jesus' time?
     
  13. BobRyan

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    I don't know of any source for that... but I do know that the text mentioned in the OP does not mention the health/safety of the mother in cases where the child is lost.
     
  14. FireDragon76

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    That article seems to be subtly implying that Christians that are mainline Protestant simply don't take their religion very seriously (and therefore their opinions on abortion can be discredited as unserious or not really Christian), unlike Catholics or white evangelicals. That is an erroneous assumption.
     
  15. FireDragon76

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    The same George Tiller that was slain by an anti-abortion activist at his own church? You have alot of nerve...

    I don't trust any anecdotes or "statistics" from anti-abortion groups. As far as I'm concerned, they aren't reputable sources to be getting facts about abortion.
     
  16. GreatLakes4Ever

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    I’m not sure but it does appear to be the George Tiller that the violent pro-life movement firebombed his clinic and then later shot him five times in his car in a failed assignation attempt Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. - AViolent Week In August
     
  17. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Violence is the standard operating procedure for the pro-life movement. 40 years of attacks on abortion clinics, mapped
     
  18. KerimF

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    My point is that Jesus was asked a lot of questions which were related usually to the teachings of Judaism. It seems no one asked Him about abortion. And Jesus didn't talk about it either. This leads us to the conclusion:
    [1] Safe abortion was not known at that time.
    Or
    [2] Safe abortion was known. But it wasn't considered as killing since the belief, at that time, was likely that killing a baby could be committed after his birth only.
     
  19. Skye1300

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    They are miscarriages, not abortions. Second, miscarriages are done by nature because the child was not viable. Calling miscarriages abortion is just playing mind games to get people to think that murdering their own child is no different than the situation where non viable pregnancies end on their own by nature. Thereby trying to get people to feel that abortions are natural. Miscarriage is a natural death, dying of natural causes and abortion is murder. There's no such thing as a spontaneous natural murder. Mind games. Brainwashing.
     
  20. Skye1300

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    No, not without harming herself. They didn't even know for sure if they were pregnant till they started to show. There was no such thing as pregnancy tests or ultrasound back then. :oldthumbsup: They could suspect it if their period was missing, but missing a period can happen without pregnancy and some women have inconsistent/irregular periods anyway. Also sometimes a pregnant women can still have light periods. I had light periods during one of my pregnancies and so did my mom.
     
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