Abortion

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"So the woman suffers the rest of her life because of a crime she did not commit."

False. So many women suffer a life time because of abortions they have had! Even nonchristians have been proven to suffer life long trama from abortion! Also it is proven that women can live a normal life raising a kid that came from rape.

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"So you would gladly die so the child inside you would have a chance at life? What if you already had children that needed you?"

Children that she needed? See it's all about ME again. What YOU need. That's where society falls into trouble with. In fact satanism that I studied for a year on is based about me and getting what you want even at others expense (even a babies). No I'm not saying having an abortion makes you a satanist but I wanna let you know how it falls into the belief system that they hold.

No, that's not what I said at all. Slower:

You're a widow. You have four (or whatever) young children, YOU are all THEY have. You get raped. You get pregnant. You are told that this time you will die if you give birth. Would you really die? Or would you live in order to protect and care for the children you already have?

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"You mean still not okay, if the woman and the baby will both die suring childbirth? That's insane. That's one more person dead than there needs to be."

You sure do under estimate God and God's will. Of coruse you don't believe in him so I guess that is a given.

It certainly is.

If they will both die, how can you not condone an abortion?

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"No, that's not what I said at all. Slower:

You're a widow. You have four (or whatever) young children, YOU are all THEY have. You get raped. You get pregnant. You are told that this time you will die if you give birth. Would you really die? Or would you live in order to protect and care for the children you already have?"

No still not justified and you really are coming up with extremly rare cases. Most cases are teens or around that age unmarried that got pregnated from a one night stand or from a boyfriend.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"If they will both die, how can you not condone an abortion?"

There is never a 100% guarantee that they both die. If by chance they do and they both end up in heaven they have it better off then both you and I. What's the problem?

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
No still not justified and you really are coming up with extremly rare cases. Most cases are teens or around that age unmarried that got pregnated from a one night stand or from a boyfriend.

I'm coming up with extremely rare cases only because you people say "NEVER".

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"If they will both die, how can you not condone an abortion?"

There is never a 100% guarantee that they both die. If by chance they do and they both end up in heaven they have it better off then both you and I. What's the problem?

Well the problem obviously is I don't believe in heaven. I'm surprised you couldn't figure that out.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

Your right, I do say never. I know it's hard for today's society to accept but it's wrong plain and simply.

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
No still not justified

So you would let your four children live out terrible childhood suffering in foster homes?

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"Well the problem obviously is I don't believe in heaven. I'm surprised you couldn't figure that out."

Well then that is a problem. You need to believe in heaven. You need to believe in God. Sure if you don't believe in that logic would tell you abortion atleast in some cases has to be right. But a person that truly believes in heaven and God can logically argue there is no excuse for abortion.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"So you would let your four children live out terrible childhood suffering in foster homes?"

Well they still have their Father. Think about that one.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

By the way don't think I'm ignorant to the fact they probably will have some hardships. Many people do for completly different reasons. I seen and met some amazing people make it through some amazingly difficult situations growing up as children.

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"So you would let your four children live out terrible childhood suffering in foster homes?"

Well they still have their Father. Think about that one.

No, you're a widow, remember? You're all they have.

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
By the way don't think I'm ignorant to the fact they probably will have some hardships. Many people do for completly different reasons. I seen and met some amazing people make it through some amazingly difficult situations growing up as children.

They'll probably survive but how can you willingly put them through that torture when you gave birth to them and raised them and promised to protect them and take care of them? When they are your entire world, all that matters to you?

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"No, you're a widow, remember? You're all they have."

*signs* Come on think harder! Don't make someone else give you the answer! By the way I'm doing this just to kinda make things a little bit on the lighter side so this doesn't turn in a steaming thread of hate.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"They'll probably survive but how can you willingly put them through that torture when you gave birth to them and raised them and promised to protect them and take care of them? When they are your entire world, all that matters to you?"

I ask you this, how could anyone bring children into this life then? Just look at the news. We live in sin. In the United States alone kids kill kids. Parents kill kids. Kids die of hunger (yes even in the USA). This country has it better off them most others so imagine them! Many many countries MOST people don't have cars or houses and it's NORMAL to go with out food during an entire day!. Why bring up a kid that WILL suffer no matter what? Like I said there are plenty that have gone through foster homes to become successful people that are strong spiritually and mentally. Also there are people that grew up with homes with a father and mother that ended up messed up spiritually and mentally. You can't justify sin of abortion. Now again I know since your not Christian this won't make sense. I use to have the same stance as you before I was "born again". You may never truly understand how I can believe what I believe unless you also someday accept God into your life like I did.

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"No, you're a widow, remember? You're all they have."

*signs* Come on think harder! Don't make someone else give you the answer! By the way I'm doing this just to kinda make things a little bit on the lighter side so this doesn't turn in a steaming thread of hate.

Oh I get it our Father who art in heaven hallow be thy name. Ha. Ha. Ha.

franklin · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
What about women with that condition where they'll die after giving birth? Or anyone who will not survive the birth? What if they get raped?
The answer is never "never".

Mallory, It sounds like your coming up with all kinds of excuses to keep child killing legal! If a mother's life is truely and highly in danger in giving birth, then I think that is a decision between her husband and God. As for rape, the odds of a woman becoming pregnant during a rape have been proven to be extremely low and if a woman does conceive after a rape, what crime has the unborn child commited that would deserve the death penalty? Rape is one of the biggest excuses the proAborts (proChildKillers) have been using since it's legalization of Roe v Wade in 1973! It's time for America to wake up!

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jun 19, 2002

"Oh I get it our Father who art in heaven hallow be thy name. Ha. Ha. Ha."

You got it! Hmm I don't have much to give.. Well I do have some blessings!

Mallory Knox · Jun 19, 2002

Originally posted by Project 86
"They'll probably survive but how can you willingly put them through that torture when you gave birth to them and raised them and promised to protect them and take care of them? When they are your entire world, all that matters to you?"

I ask you this, how could anyone bring children into this life then? Just look at the news. We live in sin. In the United States alone kids kill kids. Parents kill kids. Kids die of hunger (yes even in the USA). This country has it better off them most others so imagine them! Many many countries MOST people don't have cars or houses and it's NORMAL to go with out food during an entire day!. Why bring up a kid that WILL suffer no matter what? Like I said there are plenty that have gone through foster homes to become successful people that are strong spiritually and mentally. Also there are people that grew up with homes with a father and mother that ended up messed up spiritually and mentally. You can't justify sin of abortion. Now again I know since your not Christian this won't make sense. I use to have the same stance as you before I was "born again". You may never truly understand how I can believe what I believe unless you also someday accept God into your life like I did.

I don't know why people bring children into this world. I know what a sick messed-up world it is. Why are you asking me? You know the answer, you have to "be fruitful and multiply", right, God says so. If you want the answer you just read the Bible and there it is. Easy. I try to figure things out for myself.

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