• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.
  3. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.
  4. There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change.
  5. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected.
  6. We are no longer allowing posts or threads that deny the existence of Covid-19. Members have lost loved ones to this virus and are grieving. As a Christian site, we do not need to add to the pain of the loss by allowing posts that deny the existence of the virus that killed their loved one. Future post denying the Covid-19 existence, calling it a hoax, will be addressed via the warning system.

Abortion

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by Mallory Knox, Jun 19, 2002.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. OldBadfish

    OldBadfish Well-Known Member

    +20
     

    Auntie will probably beat me to this one. But I am extremely anti-abortion, but in the extreme instance I will vote for abortion.

    I am not a victim of any abortionists, I am thinking of what would be best for the 9 year old.

    Don't jump to conclusions and accuse me of being a victim of any pro abortion propaganda, I am OPPOSED, but still hold the belief that extreme situations could justify. I couldn't be a good Christian and condone abortion, I can be a good Christian and OPPOSE abominations.
     
  2. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

    +1,249
    Catholic
    You're right.  Like I said, I'm a doctoral candidate.  Second, no one said the pregnancy had to go full-term.  Children are being born 4 months premature with maturation to normalcy in this day and age. 

    Getting a little combative and judgemental aren't we?  Let us stick to the issue at hand, rather than you trying to speculate how good of a health care professional I am or will be.
     
  3. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    Come back in 10 years, and tell me you still say the same thing.  You haven't lived long enough to know what you're talking about.  In my own town, a local OBGYN was on the news, BEGGING poor women to get prenatal care, because he was so frustrated seeing women/teenagers coming to the ER near death with all sorts of complications due to lack of health care.  YOU need to wake up to REALITY.  What is available and what is taken advantage of are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
     
  4. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    I am not a moderator, but yes, you move me to anger at your calous attitude.  Do the world a favor, work a few months in an ER, or a trauma unit, watch women die due to LACK of health care, LEARN what real life is like, and then you will understand your ignorance about people and the way the world is, not the ideal way you pretend it to be.

    And your brand of Christianity is a scarey thing to behold.   
     
  5. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

    +1,249
    Catholic
     

    First off, I'm 30 years old.  I think I've lived plenty and I've seen plenty and I know what is available and I know what is right and what is wrong.

    You said that it is two different things about what is available and what is taken advantage of.  Well, no kidding, thank you for pointing out the obvious.  Which means that as proponents of the pro-life movement, we need to make sure that our voices are AS LOUD as the abortionists (which currently they are NOT) and let women know that they do have options, that they are available, and that they are not alone.  There is no excuse, none whatsoever, in this day and age, that lends itself to be a credible excuse for the advocacy of abortion under ANY circumstances.  Badfish thinks it would be better to subject his child to an abortion (never mind how traumatic such a procedure is, not to mention the after effects such as a higher risk for uterine cancer, depression and all other myriad of health related problems) than subject himself to the idea of his daughter carrying a life within her.  All life, no matter under what condition it was created, is sacred.  God looks upon all life with compassion, it is His creation, and while the circumstance under which it was formed may be brutal, it still is a life.  Only God can create, and if we gush and glow about a planned pregnancy and what a miracle it is, how can we look upon any life, under any circumstances with a jaded eye?
     
  6. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    Thank you, Badfish, I agree completely.  As Christians, we are called to LOVE, COMPASSION, and MERCY.  If not for a little 9 year old child, then who?  I am completely against abortion, and yet wise enough to know there are RARE ocassions when they are the most merciful thing to do. 
     
  7. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

    +1,249
    Catholic
     


    Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when men&nbsp;hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man.<RT>
     
  8. OldBadfish

    OldBadfish Well-Known Member

    +20
    Maybe we should just leave it at this: nyj is opposed and has expressed his opinion, he says its ok for a 9 year old to give birth to a rapists baby. A valid opinion, but not one I in good conscience can agree with. :)
     
  9. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

    +1,249
    Catholic
    &nbsp;

    If you want to play God, be my guest.&nbsp; Just don't ask me to applaud you for your courageous stance. :rolleyes:

    &nbsp;

    Nevermind though, it's 1:30am, time I got my beauty sleep.&nbsp; It's definitely better than sitting here watching someone spout off in ignorance about my faith, my career and my values.
     
  10. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    <DT>&nbsp;
    <DT>I don't hate you, but you need to learn compassion.&nbsp; 30 years old?&nbsp; You are younger than&nbsp;my son.&nbsp;</DT>
     
  11. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

    +1,249
    Catholic
    </DT>Who else besides me is showing any compassion for that unborn life?&nbsp; You seem to think that I would just tell the nine year to "shut up and deal", which is far from the truth as one could get.&nbsp; Getting the abortion itself could have just as damaging results as you seem to think allowing the pregnancy to go until the child could be delivered safely would have.

    Nevermind I've debated this issue ad nauseum with fellow students, co-workers, friends and family.

    Nevermind that I was on the very side of the issue that you and Badfish now occupy about five/six years ago.&nbsp; Nevermind that one of the first times I discussed this issue with my wife, I was appalled when she said that she would carry&nbsp;the pregnancy full-term if she were raped, regardless of the consequences to her own health.&nbsp; That simply infuriated me.

    It took a lot of examination of the issue, it took a lot of prayer, and it took some understanding on my part (with no small touch of divine guidance) to realize that God does and allows things for a reason.&nbsp; If an abortion is wrong, it is wrong in all instances.&nbsp; Christians should not choose the "lesser of two evils" because if we choose an evil, Satan wins.&nbsp; The Christian travels the road less traveled, the difficult road, the road that forces us to put aside our own selfish needs/desires and to place confidence in God, His mercy and His guidance.

    If life is sacred, it must be sacred under all conditions.&nbsp; A child born of the tragedy of rape is still a child, is it not?&nbsp; Does it not deserve a chance at life like all other children?&nbsp; If not, why not?&nbsp; What did that child do to not warrant a chance at life?
     
  12. MyJhongFist

    MyJhongFist Active Member

    534
    +0
    Judging someone else's Christianity is a scary thing to behold, as well.
     
  13. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    nyj, do you have any idea how LITTLE a 9 year old girl is???&nbsp; My little niece spent the weekend with me, and SHE IS LITTLE!!!

    Tell you what, since you have access to the med field, show me medical history of a 9 year old giving birth without DIEING.&nbsp; IF you can do this, I might change my mind.

    NO, nevermind.&nbsp; I just saw the eyes of my little niece, NO WAY would I submit her to that.&nbsp; IT IS CHILD ABUSE to expect a 9 year old to carry a child.
     
  14. OldBadfish

    OldBadfish Well-Known Member

    +20
    Especially&nbsp;as a result of a&nbsp;rape! IMHO
     
  15. MyJhongFist

    MyJhongFist Active Member

    534
    +0
    YES THAT'S BAD !!!!!&nbsp; So if my wife dies, nothing is wrong with that?&nbsp; How cold hearted can a 'Christian' be?&nbsp; I am suprised.

    If the respect for LIFE is the objective, then if the mother dies and the child lives, guess what?&nbsp; It's still only one life that goes on....

    Whereas, if the child is sacrificed and the mother ( who is capable of producing other, healthy children )&nbsp;lives, it is STILL only one life that goes on...&nbsp;

    The whole 'black and white' thing is one problem that I have always had on the abortion issue.
     
  16. MyJhongFist

    MyJhongFist Active Member

    534
    +0
    &nbsp;

    As the child of a 12 year old rape victim (who had me when she was 13).&nbsp; Yes, it is still a child.&nbsp;&nbsp;

    I just had my first child and if someone told me that if he was not a real child because he was not born yet, they would have gotten a punch in the snoz.

    &nbsp;:mad:
     
  17. MyJhongFist

    MyJhongFist Active Member

    534
    +0
    &nbsp;

    Agreed.
     
  18. MyJhongFist

    MyJhongFist Active Member

    534
    +0
    </DT>So what Auntie?&nbsp; If someone is under 30, then they don't know anything at all????

    You would get along great with my mom.&nbsp; LOL !!!!!!!
     
  19. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    Well then, don't go into surgery.&nbsp; After all, if God allows disease, then it must be God's will for the person to be sick. :rolleyes:

    And what did the 9 year old do to not deserve to live?&nbsp;

    Yes, every life is sacred.&nbsp; But there are RARE ocassions when both lives cannot be saved.

    I HATE Row vs Wade and partial birth abortions.&nbsp; But we MUST use common sense and have compassion and mercy on people, especially when someones life is at stake.&nbsp; &nbsp;
     
  20. Auntie

    Auntie THANK YOU JESUS!!

    +608
    Christian
    Married
    nyj seems to think&nbsp;his age somehow qualified his remarks, so I upped him one. :p

    btw, I also thought I knew alot at 30 years old too.&nbsp; But the older I get, the more I know I don't know all there is to know.&nbsp;&nbsp;
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...