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Featured Abortion Pill & Morning After Pill Contraception

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by Robert6671, May 22, 2019.

  1. Robert6671

    Robert6671 New Member

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    I have over the years here in the last few days hear the after morning pill called the abortion pill. The morning after pill is not the abortion pill, it is contraception...prevents pregnancy. Before you talk take the time to investigate. So here is the difference between the two 2019-05-22 13_52_08-Window.png
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I don't think pregnancy is called a risk anywhere in Yahuweh's (the Creator's) Word, Plan or Purpose.
     
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  3. Robert6671

    Robert6671 New Member

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    Well to the victim of a rape it would be.
     
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  4. But_First_Coffee

    But_First_Coffee New Member

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    I feel like... if you're in a relationship that's not a marriage you shouldn't put yourself in a position to need either. Did I live by that when I was not married yet? No. Luckily I didn't wind up needing either. Do I want to raise my son and other future children to believe in staying pure? yes.
    If you're married and don't want children yet, there's better ways to go about it than to take either of these pills. BOTH trigger a period and BOTH can tear up your insides and make you very sick. Abortion or not. I personally felt like I was happier not planning to have children and my husband was OK with that... we used other methods to avoid a pregnancy. It worked for 3 1/2 years. and then I simply got disoriented in December 2017 what time of the month it was and forgot to be careful and well.... my baby boy happened. And you know what? He's been the BEST BLESSING EVER. He actually rescued us from a rough patch without even meaning to. God must have really wanted me to know motherhood. Now I want to know it again, at least one more time.
    I know I can't and don't speak for everyone. But I'm an example of a "surprise baby" story gone right. And being careful worked when I actually tried to be careful....
     
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  5. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats God Seeker

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    Coffee, that is great, but unfortunately, not all women get pregnant through a good relationship. That is a big reason people hate hte Alabama law: no exceptions for singles who were raped by bad men. They are people who nefed the so-called "morning-after pill" and, sadly, either don't have access to it or don't even know about it.
     
  6. nonaeroterraqueous

    nonaeroterraqueous Nonexistent Member

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    The Morning-After pill is not contraception. It does nothing to prevent conception.
     
  7. NothingIsImpossible

    NothingIsImpossible Well-Known Member

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    These pills are still a sin since they kill the baby. No way around it. Even in the case of rape and incest its still murder. I'm not saying its fair or right, but Gods laws are Gods laws. Accept them or don't. One day we have to face Him and no argument like "But God, I was raped!" is going to change His mind. Some may say "Then He's an evil God if He thinks I should have not got rid of the baby from my rape!".

    Well there is your problem. You are to worried about this life. All the problems that occur in it. People give into so many sinful things because it will affect their life. This life is temporal. Its like 0.000000000000000000000000000001% of our true lives in heaven. So if being raped results in a baby, it's just sadly part of being alive in these bodies. We have to accept it. We are on earth for such a tiny time period that the pain of a rape and a baby is insignificant.
     
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  8. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    Only some fertilized eggs are viable and implant in the uterus.

    It takes about a week for this to happen.

    Many fertilized eggs fail. Naturally. Only 1/2 of fertilized eggs naturally are viable to make it by nature through a full pregnancy and be born. The other 1/2 don't make it. Naturally, they don't survive, by the natural design of the human body. Which we know is God's design.

    When does the spirit arrive to the dust body?

    Well, at the end of our mortal life in these temporary bodies, the "spirit returns to God who gave it." --

    "Then people go to their eternal home
    and mourners go about the streets.
    6 Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
    and the golden bowl is broken;
    before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
    and the wheel broken at the well,
    7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
    and the spirit returns to God who gave it."
    Ecclesiastes 12 NIV

    God must give a spirit to the body, since the at the mortal death of the body, the spirit of the person returns to God, who gave it.

    When does God put a spirit into the body? For those guessing it's at fertilizing of the egg, they are assuming God would put a spirit into both developing eggs that He knows will live, and also into flawed eggs He knows will soon die, naturally.

    It makes more sense, and fits our natural human feeling from the body (designed by God), that only sometime after pregnancy actually begins in a way that humans are able to know, with a viable embryo implanted in the uterus and continuing successfully to live (viable, not doomed to die soon naturally) would a spirit be put in a body, unless you believe God would put a spirit into a body that He knows is only going to live a few days or few short weeks until naturally ending. One of the things our God-designed bodies tell us is that after a certain point in time, during pregnancy, it matters to most any woman if the baby is lost, after that time. Not before that certain time, but after a certain time. How long is that?

    The Catholic idea that contraception (including a morning after pill type also then) is wrong to do seems extreme to most of us, but my friend explained it being that we are to trust God in this matter instead of trying to control it.

    But that is inside of a marriage of course.

    Consider a couple questions to think about other situations:

    If you were a woman and some man tried to rape you, would it be wrong to resist?

    Of course not.

    Would it be wrong to convince the rapist to wear a condom?

    Of course not.

    But a condom is contraception.
     
  9. SPF

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    Or it's a result of sin and the fall, and not the original way that God had intended.

    We all die. Why would God put a spirit into a newborn that was going to die before leaving the hospital?
     
  10. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats God Seeker

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    This is a denial of human biology. If it was not true, why are most humans singles? Many sperm go into a woman's uterus. Many ova go down the fallopian tubes. But usually only one ova becomes a baby.
     
  11. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

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    What exactly did I deny about human biology? Do you not agree that the fall and sin entering the world has catastrophically impacted utterly everything? Do you not realize there was no death before the fall?

    What do sperm and eggs have to do with the death of human beings? Sperm are sperm and will be anything other than sperm. They are not human beings. Eggs are eggs and will never be anything other than eggs, they are not human beings.
     
  12. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    If you mean God would have put a spirit into a body already long before late in pregnancy, we already agree about that!

    That much is certainly clear to us just naturally already, as I wrote above (and which you are responding to, even if you didn't read that far) by natural feeling (which is God's design), and also very definite in scripture, as John leapt in Elizabeth's womb when Mary visited.

    So, I clearly above am not asking about late in pregnancy, but instead very clearly asking about early, much earlier.

    Using the rest of that same sentence you took a part of: " For those guessing it's at fertilizing of the egg, they are assuming God would put a spirit into both developing eggs that He knows will live, and also into flawed eggs He knows will soon die, naturally." Where "soon" means just what it sounds like, not months and months later, but "soon". As I wrote it above "a few days or few short weeks until naturally ending".

    Do you yourself think God would put a human spirit into a fertilized egg He knows in His omniscience won't even make it to a successful implantation and viability? If you do think so, why and on what basis?

    I'm happy to learn anything more.

    I know that over 1/2 of fertilized eggs die naturally. Early on. I doubt God would intentionally place a spirit in what He knows is not viable, and cannot live.
     
  13. But_First_Coffee

    But_First_Coffee New Member

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    I know, that's why I said "I can't and don't speak for everyone". I was just sharing my personal views.
     
  14. SPF

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    Is it possible that God doesn't put souls in the human beings that only live for a few hours, or days, or weeks? Sure. But I have nothing in Scripture to indicate that this is the case.

    I can't think of anywhere in Scripture where it indicates there is ever a living human being without a soul. I suppose it's possible, I'm certainly not an Open Theist, so I believe God possesses perfect foreknowledge and knows which unborn children are going to make it to term or not. But I can't think of any Scripture that could be used to suggest such a teaching.
     
  15. ChristianForCats

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    Starting with "or" implies zygote and embryo deaths cannot be caused by both sin and nature.

    We are discussing Plan B and similar pills,which targets fertilized eggs. I was saying fertizatoin alone does not giaramtee a baby will develop naturally, so taking Plan B is not murder. I probably said it wrong.
     
  16. JacobKStarkey

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    Why are men telling women what to do with unwanted or criminally-forced pregnancies?
     
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  17. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

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    Does someone have to possess a specific gender to be against the killing of innocent, vulnerable, human beings?
     
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  18. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

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    Well, let's employ some basic logical thinking here. A new human being comes into existence at fertilization. After a new human being is created, they often die "naturally". If we then consider that death was not part of the original plan of God and only came about as a result of the fall..... The logical conclusion I see is that prior to the fall, there probably wouldn't have been miscarriages.

    I feel like we make no progress. A new human being comes into existence at fertilization and begins about a 25 year developmental period. But at no point during their 25 years of development are they not a human being. Couple this basic biological fact with the basic Biblical fact that all human beings are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value...... And you arrive at the inescapable conclusion that the killing of innocent human beings (which begin their existence at fertilization) is immoral.
     
  19. JacobKStarkey

    JacobKStarkey Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion is not supported by Scripture or science.

    The morning after pill is contraceptive protocol not an abortion.

    Leave this to the woman and God.
     
  20. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

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    Can you be specific about what in my position is not supported by science or Scripture? I'm more than open to changing my position if you can actually demonstrate with supported and logical statements instead of one sentence, unsupported, claims
     
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