Abortion is the BIGGEST civil rights issue of our time

[Super Hotdog Salesman]

Trolling is rude. Keep it up, will report.

 

[PapaZoom]

Trolling is rude. Keep it up, will report.

It's not trolling...it's commentary. Your views are way out there.

 

[Super Hotdog Salesman]

My stated view is that a woman has the right to decide who is allowed in her body, and to defend her decision. If you think that's strange then you certainly have a strange perspective yourself.

 

[redleghunter]

You're adding words to the definition. A parasitic relationship does not require two different species, just two organisms. A human growing in a womb fits the dictionary definition of "parasite" that I provided exactly.




No, aborting a human life in the womb is not akin to a death sentence. It's removing a parasitic human from the host it needs to survive. So, back to my original point: Does a woman not have the right to decide who is inside her own body? Or does she not have the right to use lethal force to defend that right?

The parasitic meme doesn't work. The human fetus is not a parasite.

Do we need to review how conception happens? What comes from the woman and what comes from the man. A new human life with 23 chromosomes from each parent.

It is not a parasitic occurrence nor relationship.

Your approach is quite relativistic.

I understand why people want it to be so. To ease their conscience from murder.

 

[redleghunter]

Actually, misread your post, sorry. I assumed you meant the rational thing: that they are the same species so one can't be parasitic to the other. A developing human in the womb is most certainly a separate individual organism. Either it's two separate humans involved or the developing human isn't an individual organism yet. You can't have it both ways.

Not when the child is a genetic offspring.

We are humans not plankton.

 

[redleghunter]

So I take it you don't have any logical arguments about the two clauses in that sentence either.

He actually scoped your assertions.

 

[redleghunter]

Trolling is rude. Keep it up, will report.

I'm sorry but your avatar is a sockpuppet. How are we to take that?

 

[PapaZoom]

My stated view is that a woman has the right to decide who is allowed in her body, and to defend her decision. If you think that's strange then you certainly have a strange perspective yourself.

in most cases the woman is partially responsible for the baby inside her...her actions put the baby there....and the baby is in the exact place where it's supposed to be

 

[redleghunter]

My stated view is that a woman has the right to decide who is allowed in her body, and to defend her decision. If you think that's strange then you certainly have a strange perspective yourself.

That view would be valid if we were all devoid of understanding the reproductive process.

 

[PapaZoom]

I'm sorry but your avatar is a sockpuppet. How are we to take that?

It wasn't trolling at any rate. Commentary comes in all forms

And when I read arguments that are equal to a load of tripe, there's not much to say except to repeat the weakest aspects of the argument---it's more like mocking than anything else.

 

[Super Hotdog Salesman]

I'm sorry but your avatar is a sockpuppet. How are we to take that?

Actually it's a micrograph of a hookworm. Are you seriously making fun of my avatar?

Not when the child is a genetic offspring.

We are humans not plankton.

Claiming that a parent and offspring are the same organism is certainly an interesting assertion, but I doubt anyone who studies biology will agree with you (myself included).

 

[PapaZoom]

1. a) A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.)
   
2. b) A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.
3. a) A parasite is an invading organism -- coming to parasitize the host from an outside source.
   b) A human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg -- the egg coming from an inside source, being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the oviduct where it may be fertilized to form the zygote -- the first cell of the new human being.

1. 
   http://l4l.org/library/notparas.html

by Dr. Thomas L. Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Biological Sciences, Mary Washington College, Fredericksburg, Virginia.

There, one wimpy argument down....not to rear it's illogical head again

 

[Super Hotdog Salesman]

And when I read arguments that are equal to a load of tripe, there's not much to say except to repeat the weakest aspects of the argument---it's more like mocking than anything else.

Ok, well you're welcome to behave that way if you wish. I prefer conversations with those who are charitable and can speak using clear argumentation with logic though, so bye I guess.

 

[PapaZoom]

Just in case the last post didn't take: https://bioethicstoday.wordpress.co...-not-a-parasite-debunking-an-ethical-fallacy/

 

[PapaZoom]

Ok, well you're welcome to behave that way if you wish. I prefer conversations with those who are charitable and can speak using clear argumentation with logic though, so bye I guess.

That's the only thing you've said in this thread with an ounce of clarity.

 

[Super Hotdog Salesman]

Actually, @redleghunter, I've already given you the benefit of the doubt before. You've been nothing but extremely uncharitable and haven't yet addressed the actual points. I'm not wasting my time on conversations that lack genuine effort to understand and be charitable, so I'm not replying to you anymore either.

 

[PapaZoom]

Actually, @redleghunter, I've already given you the benefit of the doubt before. You've been nothing but extremely uncharitable and haven't yet addressed the actual points. I'm not wasting my time on conversations that lack genuine effort to understand and be charitable, so I'm not replying to you anymore either.

 

[redleghunter]

Actually it's a micrograph of a hookworm. Are you seriously making fun of my avatar?




Claiming that a parent and offspring are the same organism is certainly an interesting assertion, but I doubt anyone who studies biology will agree with you (myself included).

Embryologists disagree with you.




Abortion: Scientific evidence for new human being at conception:

http://www.cephalopodiatrist.com/2012/10/why-babies-arent-actually-parasites.html

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...arding-abortion.7926139/page-28#post-69098593

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...arding-abortion.7926139/page-27#post-69097465

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...arding-abortion.7926139/page-28#post-69098685

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-abortion-is-immoral.7923648/page-42#post-69092147

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...n-a-fetuss-life.7915201/page-10#post-69082245

 

[SkyWriting]

Biggest probably due to the murder of over 50 million human lives due to abortion (US only).

Should we condemn God for allowing it to happen on it's own?

Miscarriage is when a baby dies in the womb before 20 weeks of pregnancy.Among women who know they are pregnant, about 10 to 15 out of 100 pregnancies (10 to 15 percent) end in miscarriage. As many as half of all pregnancies may end in miscarriage—we don’t know the exact number because many may happen before a woman knows she’s pregnant.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

I understand why people want it to be so. To ease their conscience from murder.

In all of the abortion threads I've seen since I've been here that seems to be the overwhelming theme of the Pro-Choice crowd...