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Abomination Of Desolation ~ The Historicist View

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Preterism and Historicism have some elements of truth in common. Spin offs are not normally as good but here goes...

Source: Keys To The Great Tribulation - Historicist.com

HOW THE WORDS OF JESUS WERE FULFILLED IN 70 A.D.

Judea had always been one of the most restless and rebellious parts of the Roman Empire, and from 60 A.D. onwards the situation began to deteriorate rapidly. Felix the Roman governor was succeeded by Festus, Albinius and then Gessius Florus, a brutal tyrant whose cruelty and maladministration was bound to result in an uprising; which it soon did; Florus was driven out of Jerusalem, the fortress of Antonio was seized by the Zealots and the pro Roman faction in the Holy City was slaughtered. The revolt spread like wildfire, and when Cestius Gallus the Roman governor of Syria who had advanced on Jerusalem, suddenly retreated for no apparent reason, the Jewish Zealots went on the offensive, convinced that God was on their side.

However, over the next three years, under the command of Vespasian who subsequently became Roman Emperor, and then of his son Titus, the Imperial Legions systematically subdued Palestine, gradually tightening the net around the Holy City, in which anarchy reigned as rival Jewish groups fought each other for control. Gabara, Jotapata, Tarichaea, Gischala, and Gamala all fell to the Romans with great slaughter, as the defenders and citizens were exterminated or engaged in mass suicide. These events are recorded for us by the Jewish historian Josephus, who was at first a commander of the rebels in Galilee before going over to the Romans.

The account of the Siege of Jerusalem, as given by Josephus makes gruesome reading. Over one million Jews perished in the siege by famine and the sword. The defenders were reduced to eating human flesh, and chewing grass and leather for sustenance. Those who ventured outside the walls by night in search of food, if captured were scourged, then crucified by the Romans in full view of the defenders. Sometimes hundreds met their fate in this manner during the space of one day. Perhaps some recalled the words of Jesus, when making His way to Calvary and crucifixion. He said to the women of Jerusalem:-

"Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me but for yourselves and for your children."
Luke 23:28

Josephus writing of the conflict says:-

"Our city of all those which have been subjected to the Romans, was advanced to the highest felicity and was thrust down again to the extremist misery; for if the misfortunes of all men from the beginning of the world, were compared to those of the Jews, they would appear much inferior upon the comparison . . . to speak in brief, no other city every suffered such things, as no generation from the beginning of the world was ever more fruitful of wickedness."

As the plight of those within the walls grew worse, many attempted to escape, swallowing their money so that it would not be taken by the Romans. When this was discovered, any subsequent deserters were ripped open and disemboweled by the Romans in search of gold. Eventually most of the city and the Castle of Antonio had fallen to the invaders, and the Jews took refuge within the Temple precincts. They prepared to make a final stand there, still believing that God would intervene and save them. Finally the Holy Temple fell to the soldiers of the Roman Prince Titus; fire brands were used by the Roman soldiers to set the Sanctuary ablaze, and soon the magnificent temple ot Herod was a heap of smoking ruins. The Roman Legions now carried their standards, the Eagle and the Serpent into the Temple and sacrificed before them in the traditional Roman manner, an ox, a sheep and the ultimate abomination — a pig. It has been estimated that at least one milion perished in the Siege of Jerusalem, and some ninety thousand survivors were sold into slavery, whilst seven hundred of the tallest most handsome captives were reserved for the March of Triumph through Rome by 'Titus and his Legions. Thus were fulfilled the predictions of the Lord Jesus, a generation earlier, and also of the prophet Daniel several hundred years before, when he had foretold concerning Titus and the armies of Imperial Rome:-

"And the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined . . . and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Daniel 9:26-27

THE ABOMINATION AND THE FLIGHT OF THE CHRISTIANS

One of the most amazing aspects of the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was that not one single Christian perished in the conflict, the reason for this being as we shall see, that they heeded a warning prophecy of Jesus uttered over forty years earlier, concerning the Abomination of Desolation. Let us trace the events as they are outlined for us in the writings of Josephus.

Strange events and portents of doom had begun to take place in the city of Jerusalem as early as 62 A.D. Strange sounds were heard and lights seen shining over the Temple in the dead of night. The huge Eastern Gate which had been barred for years with iron planks had opened at midnight and during the Feast of Pentecost that year there had been a minor earth tremor. Then there appeared in the city a seemingly demented prophet, the son of Ananius, who daily cried out a message of warning and impending doom in the city streets:-

"A voice from the East, a voice from the West, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, a voice against this whole people. Woe, Woe to this holy house and to this people."

When the Jews subsequently broke into revolt some four and a half years later, his previously apparently insane ravings began to have a ring of truth to them and when the Roman armies of Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem and prepared to lay siege to it, the Christians recalled the warning prophecies of Jesus, uttered a generation earlier. Here are three accounts of His message as recorded in the Gospels.

A) "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand). Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days. But pray ye that your flight be not in winter neither on the Sabbath day for then shall be great tribulation."
Matthew 24:15-21

B) "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him that readeth understand) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains. And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house neither enter therein to take anything out of his house. And let him that is in the field not turn back again to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. And pray ye that your flight be not in winter, for in those days shall be affliction:'
Mark 13:14-19

C) "When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains and let them which are in the midst of it depart out . . . for these be the days of vengeance.,"
Luke 21:20-22

By harmonising these three Gospel accounts we see that where Matthew and Mark referred to the Abomination of Desolation, Luke referred to the Roman armies; they were one and the same thing. The Christians in Jerusalem realised this, but surrounded by the Legions of Cestius Gallus, flight seemed to be impossible. Then by a miracle, or as Josephus puts it, "for no apparent reason," the Roman commander and his forces withdrew. The forces of the Jewish Zealots pursued the retreating Romans, attacking them with such ferocity that they were faced with total destruction. The Jews believed they had won a great victory, but the Christians knew that the

Legions of Rome would return, and that now was their chance to heed the words of Christ. They fled the city of Jerusalem and its neighbourhood, not even taking time to gather their possessions. They took to the mountains, and eventually according to the historians Eusebius and Ephiphanius they reached safety at Pella and other places beyond the River Jordan. Not one Christian perished in the bloody siege which followed.

What became of the prophet of woe? Josephus tells us that after proclaiming his message for some seven and a half years, he was killed by a stone from a Roman siege engine as he stood on the walls of the embattled city, still proclaiming woe to it and to the Holy Temple.
 

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I don't know about them being one thing but they were certainly simultaneous enough. I start with Dan 8:13 for the AofD. Notice that expression starts as the 'rebellion that desolates' and by the end of ch 9 it is an abomination and it is desolating. I don't know what to make of the Antioches episode because the Roman one differs quite a bit. I'm inclined to find this person (the leader of the RtD) in the zealots who were using the Law very harshly and sometimes awfully and sometimes in a pagan way. I think one of their leaders was the abomination, and I'm inclined to go with John of Gischala. The 'he' vs 'it' option in the source texts is interesting on this (when you see it/him, let those in Judea...).

One of the other trickles of information about the period is the 'messianic' visions and writings from desert sects some times (cp Acts 21:38) about the climactic war between the sons of light and sons of darkness. But these were not taken (or maybe not written) to be transcendant powers but rather as the actions of these groups on earth and in those decades. In contrast, just when Jesus has just said he was not going to reign forever like "the Law" said (Jn 12:34+), but instead was the light of the world, he mentions his followers as 'sons of light'!
 
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Preterism and Historicism have some elements of truth in common. Spin offs are not normally as good but here goes...

Source: Keys To The Great Tribulation - Historicist.com

HOW THE WORDS OF JESUS WERE FULFILLED IN 70 A.D.

Strange events and portents of doom had begun to take place in the city of Jerusalem as early as 62 A.D. Strange sounds were heard and lights seen shining over the Temple in the dead of night. The huge Eastern Gate which had been barred for years with iron planks had opened at midnight and during the Feast of Pentecost that year there had been a minor earth tremor. Then there appeared in the city a seemingly demented prophet, the son of Ananius, who daily cried out a message of warning and impending doom in the city streets:-



What became of the prophet of woe? Josephus tells us that after proclaiming his message for some seven and a half years, he was killed by a stone from a Roman siege engine as he stood on the walls of the embattled city, still proclaiming woe to it and to the Holy Temple.

JM,

I'm glad for this abomination of desolation (AofD) post, thank you. I remembered reading somewhere about that guy prior to the destruction of Jerusalem (DofJ) that only spoke of doom, I had lost track of where I heard of him. He never said Hi, Good morning or What's up, the only words that came out of his mouth was that the end was coming soon. I feel a little bit like him in that I'm saying the DofJ deal is soon to go global and become the DofE or the DofL deal.

There's a couple AofD deals on the forum now but neither one of them match up with mine. My view on it is unique in that it won't line up with any of the established theologies. I'm glad Josephus was there to write his historical account of the tragedy but I don't trust him any farther than I could throw him. I think that he spent half his time trying to save his own skin from the Romans and his theory on one of the two AofDs seemed biased to me.

When Jesus said: “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), He was speaking to two different groups of Christians that are separated by about 1952 years. The prophet Daniel spoke of two different AofDs which are mentioned in three places in his book, Antiochus Epiphanes was not and will not be involved in either of the two.

In order to understand that there are two AofDs we must first identify an important detail of the first one. The detail that must be understood is in the meaning of "the holy place". This will make it clear that AofD #1 took place right on day one of the DofJ and not at the middle or the end of it. This should help distinguish between the two AofDs as the end time one will occur towards the end of the great tribulation, 45 days before the Second Coming, on the 1290th day.

A) “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)

B) “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand)

C) “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

Standing in the holy place, standing where he ought not to be and Jerusalem surrounded by armies are all the same thing. All the way around the outer wall of the city is where the armies were standing, this is what Matthew and the Jews of his time would call "the holy place". This had nothing to do with any part of the temple. If the Christians had waited until the Romans broke through the outer wall of the city and stood in some part of the temple it would have been too late for them to run. When Cestius set up the first siege all around the outer wall of Jerusalem, he and his army was standing right in "the holy place", the land that God gave to the Levites.

This was in 66 AD right at the beginning of the DofJ. This was The Sign that Jesus gave for His followers to get out fast. Cestius stopped the siege when he got word that Caesar was dead and packed up shop. He had to go back to Rome to become the new Caesar but Vespasian got the job instead. The Jewish army took off after them, leaving all the doors of the city wide open, this allowed the Christians unmolested escape. When Titus came back latter to finish the job, there were no Christians left in Jerusalem. Giddy Up.


So "the holy place" is the land 1500 Ft. outside the perimeter city wall of Jerusalem. Back in the day they called it "the suburbs". It was the land given by God to the Levites for gardening and cattle grazing.


Numbers 35:4

And "the suburbs" of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about.



From Bible Gateway:

Had the Levites been a monastic order, such information would not have been necessary. But they were a tribe of families, and as such they were in need of real estate and land on which to graze their beasts.
Each city was to have pastureland that formed a square of 3,000 feet per side and whose perimeter was 1,500 feet in every direction from the town wall. Altogether, these allotments would represent fifteen square miles, or about .1 percent of the land of Canaan.


AofD # 1 took place in 66AD right on day 1 of that tribulation.

AofD # 2 will take place towards the end of our Great Tribulation on the 1290th day.


Important Notice to Readers

In an attempt to provide an accurate range of Historical data within the bounds of the Super Dave interpretation of Bible prophecy, I have utilized the research and writings of a variety of scholars and historians. Being that some of the material found in this post has been written over a period of thousands of years, there will naturally be a difference of opinions and interpretations on various prophecies. This is due to the experience and knowledge along with the political and religious conditions which existed during the life time of each respective writer. For example; in one account of the DofJ the writer claimed Vespasian set up the first siege, another writer claimed it was Cestius. For example # 2: What became of the prophet of woe? In one account Josephus tells us he was killed by a stone from a Roman siege engine as he stood on the wall of the embattled city, in another account we find it was the Jews themselves who stoned him to death and threw him over the wall of the embattled city.

These differences by no means invalidate the truthfulness of the Super Dave approach to the all-important subject of Bible prophecy. Even though some teachers and writers may differ on some major beliefs such as the rapture, the nature of the Second Coming of Christ, the identification of Israel, or the modern Zionist state of Israel, each writer sets forth a traditional Protestant view of Bible prophecy that has been unfolding in fulfillment throughout time extending from the Apostolic age until our present age.

Every opinion and/or interpretation presented in this post may not necessarily be the accepted belief of the one who has made this post available.




Source:

Keys To The Great Tribulation - Historicist.com
 
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