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ABC's "V" Season 2 -- Alien Deception Continues

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by NJBeliever, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. NJBeliever

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  2. Manasseh_

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    Yeah, I had already read you blog, where you suggest fallen angels "took wives" of human women an "illicit union" which leaves one not begging "the" question but instead a whole list of questions.

    So who did satan marry and have these "hybrid" children with?
    Why did God hold men accountable for these fallen angels actions ?
    Why would fallen wicked angels be referred to as "sons of God"?

    Believe me I could take up a whole page of this thread with these questions.

    Personally I think it's absurd to even suggest such a thing and there seems to be as much science fiction in suggesting fallen angels got married to human woman and had children as there is in the tv series you write about in your blog.
     
  3. laconicstudent

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    Really? We are interpreting an average television series as having apocalyptic significance now?
     
  4. Manasseh_

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    I'm curious as to what will happen to the apocalyptic significance if the show is canceled ?
     
  5. Blackwater Babe

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    Everytime I hea r someone talkiing about how aliens in popular culture are being presented to somehow "pave the way" for the NWO overlords or what have you... I think the obvious question is... "and they thought showing the aliens as torturing, hegemonic monsters was the best way to do that, huh?"
     
  6. Blackwater Babe

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    FYI I thought V series one was fun
     
  7. NumberOneSon

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    Right. If the show was created to truly to deceive people into viewing aliens as saviors, then why does the show clearly depict the Visitors as the exact opposite? I mean from the very beginning you know that the aliens have a hidden agenda and that their outward desire for peace and harmony is just a facade. Isn't that exactly in line with the view of some Christians; that the Nephilim will come to promote a false peace, but it will all just be an attempt to deceive? Heck NJ, maybe you should be promoting the show on your blog since it's getting your message out to the masses that the alien encounters we may have in the future will be bad for humanity, lol.

    If "V" were meant to pave the way for some type of End Time scenario, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to present aliens in a positive light? Everyone loved ET, and the movie portrayed him as a victim, while the humans chasing him were the bad guys. V does the opposite - and turns them into David Icke's lizard people.

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  8. Blackwater Babe

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    I remember the original V series from the 80s... what came first, V or David Icke's "Reptilian" theory?
     
  9. NumberOneSon

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    I'm sure the original V predates David Icke's theories, but I would wager that most people think of reptillians because of Icke's influence.

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  10. NJBeliever

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    The article says nothing about Satan marrying anyone. They were fallen angels.



    God had to punish all beings in order to save humanity. The lineage on people on Earth became so tainted by angelic/human relations, that only Noah and his family could be spared. The Bible specifically states that Noah was "perfect in his generations." This was not a reference to him being morally perfect. It is detailing that his lineage and ancestry was 100% human.



    Great question. It is a title they had attained in Heaven when they were still on God's side. And because of course, they were created by God. And we too will have that same title through Jesus Christ:

    John 1:
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.



    Great. I welcome them.

    Well, I believe the Bible proves you wrong. It's not my idea. It is from the Word. If you have any questions about scripture and Biblical interpretation of the passages used, please, please raise them. I much more prefer just discussing what the Bible says. But again, thank you for your comments and questions. I really appreciate it as it will help me do better revisions on it. I will definitely address the issues you raise in the revised version of the blog.

    I'll also leave you with this ad I found so you can see I'm not the only one who seems to have this idea:

    YouTube - Even Angels will Fall
     
  11. NJBeliever

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    Well for one, like mostly everything on TV, a message does not have to be explicit for it to reside in your brain. Predictive programming just requires that certain images or ideas be put out to be absorbed into the human subconscious (see the link for a detailed explanation). So whether the aliens are "good" or "bad" is really not relevant. And really, V is just one example. I don't watch network TV and don't really care to so I don't have the time to devote to watching the numerous alien shows/movies out there. But this idea is repeated in MANY, MANY different programs. Maybe I will add the names of shows and also include the above link on how this process work in the mass media.

    Thanks and God bless.
     
  12. Achilles6129

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    Actually, perhaps you would care to read Jude where it seems to indicate that in fact fallen angels did, at some point in the past, visit earth:

    "6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Jude 6



    According to Gen. 6, the "sons of God" took the daughters of men as wives.



    He didn't. Check out Gen. 6 again.



    I arrive at the conclusion that the beings referred to as "sons of God" in Gen. 6 were in fact angels because the only time the Hebrew for that particular phrase in the OT is used it's used of angels. For example, in Job, Satan comes with the "sons of God" to present himself before the LORD:

    "6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." Job 1:6


    The idea that the "sons of God" are the sons of Seth doesn't seem to hold water because the only time the phrase is used in the OT it's used of angels. In addition, Jude speaks of the angels which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, implicitly implying that they came into our realm, i.e., planet earth.

    According to the OT, angels did in fact take human form on several occasions. For example, with Sodom and Gomorrah:

    "2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground," Gen. 18:2

    The three men happen to be God and two angels, who have evidently taken human form.

    To me, personally, it's of minor interest. However, aliens may play a role in the strong delusion in 2 Th. 2 - I'm not really sure. I'm open to the subject, and everyone else should be, too.

    The only thing that has any apocalyptic significance is the Scriptures. However, NJ is right in this circumstance - aliens may play a part in the strong delusion. You should at least keep an open mind.
     
  13. gracechick

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    Maybe it is done as suggested only to grab the attention of the public. And what type of movies are much of the public drawn to these days? Basically violence, sex, materialism and the occult.

    Perhaps aliens don't need a public relations team anymore. As these alien beings know that job is currently being done by many new age groups touting the brilliance and benevolence of the ascended ancient masters that are soon to come.:D
     
  14. NJBeliever

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    I again thank everyone for their input and comments it's much appreciated. I definitely am working to incorporate them into a revision. But I just want to reiterate that I do not, at all, believe in extra-terrestrial beings, aliens or UFOs as commonly understood. I only believe in spiritual beings as per Ephesians 6:12. God bless,
     
  15. Manasseh_

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    I didn't ask anything concerning the details of your "article", My questions are based on the premise you hold to.....ie........fallen angels took wives of human women. satan is a fallen angel and he's supposed to be "top dog" of the fallen angels, so he took a wife too , then 'settled' down, and had a family or did he divorce her or maybe even left her outright ??

    You see the absurdity in these speculations, hey if you're gonna have a doctrine you have to look at it from all aspects and what it is implying in it's statements. This speculation doesn't even fit the context of Genesis 6, it's context goes only to mankind and what mankind began to do and the results of mankind's actions in what the motive was of God to destroy men. Your doctrine does not even depict the God of the bible, your doctrine depicts a god as an unfair tyrant, charging someone else , making them responsible for others actions / sins.

    Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. '

    .......it's the soul that sins who is held accountable, it's your scenario that has men responsible for what fallen angels had done, which by the way, must be injected into this account because no where in the context is there any mention of fallen angels , their sins, or judgment of their sins.




    Another invention......because at the very beginning of the creation account God had already made man "100%" human just as he made ALL creatures AFTER THEIR KIND, then he saw what he had made as GOOD...........he made angels after the spirit kind and scripture explicitly states that the spirit kind do not marry at all

    Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    We have another statement from scripture............................
    Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

    FROM ONE BLOOD..........ADAM.........and scripture says Eve is the mother of all living Gen 3:20............so if documents were actually preserved and available everyone could trace their lineage back to Adam and Eve and NO ONE can claim any kind of racial pre-eminence over anyone else or that one's "blood" was "tainted" by fallen angels and their human wives.

    Your statement about Noah.........again you had to imply first that it was about Noah's lineage.........
    Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
    Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

    Finding grace, being just and walking with God according to his ways once again, has nothing whatsoever to do with genetics.............are you beginning to see how this doctrine has to invent itself ? Truth doesn't have to be invented, there are absolutes.......1+1 will always equal 2 regardless if I were in one place or another. 1 quantity adding one more quantity will be a total of 2 quantities.

    and it was a title they lost long before the days of Noah, satan is a title, the new title he was given ADVERSARY.........a CEO of corporation X has a title and if he doesn't perform his duties properly he is canned and has a new title....unemployed.

    Also speaking of titles............Nephilim is a title or name that doesn't hold in it's meaning "hybrid human", nephilim in hebrew only means a bully or a tyrant which is what MOSES was describing during that time, MEN OF RENOWN, famous bullies , tyrants, in the english language we also call wicked leaders of people dictators............all descriptive names having only to do with character and not genetics.

    I have always found it odd that when someone must resort to tactics in order to prove their point this cli'che is first and foremost on the list.............."It not my idea" "I'm not the one saying it" "The Bible says it not me"..............as if these kinds of retorts would lend any merit whatsoever to a certain belief.

    A premise has to be defended by evidence / proof, not by empty statements that offer no proof. " I can't help it if you don't believe the bible" < a statement that offers no proof. You prove the the word of God WITH the word of God.

    in this case it's Moses testimony, scripture that offers the real proof..............

    Genesis 6.............
    Men began to multiply on the earth
    Men's hearts were evil and the wickedness of man became great
    God's spirit would not strive with men
    It repented the Lord that he had made man (because of their wickedness)
    God would destroy man from the earth

    it all goes to men and their actions in Genesis 6, anything offered in addition is based soley on speculation , conjecture, invention and imagination.


     
  16. Blackwater Babe

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    Maybe. I admit, when I first heard of David Icke maybe 7 years ago, my first thought was "isn't this pretty much the story line of V"?

    Note: If one is confronted with a conspiracy or eschatological theory that appears to follow the basic storyline of something from popular culture, I generally assume that the theory is the result of a subconscious adoption by the theorists.
     
  17. Fenwick

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    Wow, I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for a thread like this to surface.

    Haha, average is a generous critique. :p

    Excellent point. I have heard that flawed, tired rhetoric so much in the last two years, it's pathetic. That the luciferian looney tune illuminati whatchysmacallits are "mocking" us by putting their plans right in front of our faces. Right.

    Me too. Though as a filmmaker I'm not a huge fan of the favor of special effects over decent writing.

    So true. :thumbsup:

    You sound like my mother-in-law. :rolleyes:
     
  18. NJBeliever

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    See this is the problem when we are having a Biblical discussion not using Bible scripture. You are not pointing out where my interpretation of actual scripture is wrong. As has already been shown to you, the Hebrew phrase for "sons of god" is a reference to angelic beings, not humans.

    Job 2 :1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    Job 38: 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?



    See, the Scriptures refute your points. Not me or my opinions. It is the exact same phrase in Hebrew being used in all these passages. And the meaning is angelic beings.



    Angelic beings are the ones being referenced in Jude and 2 Peter 2:

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


    2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;



    Saying "Satan must have been married" is your speculation as the Bible never says this. Just as we know that not all angels who are evil are in the bottomless pit right now. Clearly only a set number of them committed this particular sin and those are the ones who are punished at present for it.





    See above. We don't have to look at "all aspects" or "implications." We should just read the Bible and take it for what it says.



    I never said men were responsible for angels. You did. I said that the flood occurred to save humanity, or what was left of it.



    Jesus is obviously referring to Angels who are being obedient. Disobedient angels are going to whatever they choose to do. What is your explanation for the giants of the days of Genesis and "after that" as the Bible states clearly? Why was Goliath 9 feet tall? Why was Og of Bashan 13 feet? Why were the Canannites described as:
    33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    If all men are being made "after their own kind" then what is going on here?? What is your BIBLICAL explanation?



    Yes this is true! I agree. Because these beings do not exist anymore. They were wiped out in the Old Testament.



    Note you do not even attempt to provide an interpretation for "perfect in his generations." If I am wrong, then tell me what it means.



    and it was a title they lost long before the days of Noah, satan is a title, the new title he was given ADVERSARY.........a CEO of corporation X has a title and if he doesn't perform his duties properly he is canned and has a new title....unemployed.



    Wrong. It means "fallen ones" and comes from the Hebrew root
    nun-peh-lamed, which means "to fall" or "cause to fall." Again, I am basing my assertions and points on Scripture and Biblical interpretation.



     
  19. Achilles6129

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    I'd like to hear Manasseh (or anyone else) answer the points about Jude and the points about the Hebrew for "sons of God" that I raised.
     
  20. Almighty's humble servant

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    David Ickes ideas were cast in stone from thousands of years ago in the ancient sumerian culture. It is horribly incorrect that serpentmen are our gods, but that's how the serpent deceived them so near to the time he deceived Eve.

    Now, while Icke is a flake to say the least, if one were to have been raised in ancient sumeria before Abraham left, one might have nearly identical understandings of the relationship between the fallen angels(false gods) and humanity.
     
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