A white woman yelled the 'N' word on a DC bus. She ended-up in the hospital.

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I meant it may mean something different for a black person, which I wouldn't call racist exactly. So, not exactly "for any person".

Let's clarify here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...cial-slurs-against-state-rep-stephanie-chang/

state Rep. Bettie Cook Scott used racial slurs, including “ching-chang” and “ching-chong,” when referring to her opponent, state Rep. Stephanie Chang

Do we agree that anyone can be racist and use racial slurs or not? Because the way you worded it made it sound like it was the domain of white people only....which is incredibly racist.
 
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For a white person it would only come naturally to someone who used/thought the word in anger a lot.

Ie a racist.
He said you could use it to express anger. Why did you switch it to "naturally"?
I meant it may mean something different for a black person, which I wouldn't call racist exactly. So, not exactly "for any person".
Can you explain? How can something mean two different things to two different people because of their skin color?
 
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He said you could use it to express anger. Why did you switch it to "naturally"?

It doesn't just express anger, but a long historically significant meaning as a form of racially charged human degradation.

It wouldn't spring to mind as a natural curse unless you either use it or think it often enough.

Can you explain? How can something mean two different things to two different people because of their skin color?

Because the term was meant to apply to specific people. It's different when the people themselves use it as opposed to the people who used it historically as a racial epithet to demean them.
 
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Let's clarify here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...cial-slurs-against-state-rep-stephanie-chang/

Do we agree that anyone can be racist and use racial slurs or not? Because the way you worded it made it sound like it was the domain of white people only....which is incredibly racist.

No, I meant my comment to refer to this specific incidence where a white and black person are interacting.

I qualified my comment as (for a white person), which doesn't mean (only for a white person). I used the phrase "a white person" because we were dealing with one example. You can use it to generalize to the rule:

If a white person uses the N word in anger directed at a black person, it is probably because they are probably a racist.

I have not stated or meant to state that other types of people can't be racist or act like a racist, just that this very specific instance is evidence of racism.
 
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It doesn't just express anger, but a long historically significant meaning as a form of racially charged human degradation.
No, historically it was just a slang derivation of an existing word made up by a scientist. It was like calling potatoes "taters".
It wouldn't spring to mind as a natural curse unless you either use it or think it often enough.
That seems like some deep psychiatry there. I'd like a link or something. How do you know that? And wouldn't it be worse if it didn't "spring to mind", i.e., if one premeditated the use of the word with the intent to insult?
Because the term was meant to apply to specific people. It's different when the people themselves use it as opposed to the people who used it historically as a racial epithet to demean them.
All insult words - "fatso", "idiot", "four-eyes", "ginger", etc., are meant to demean. We all must choose how to respond. I don't think anyone should respond to any word by leaving a woman lying on the sidewalk gushing blood out of her head.
 
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No, I meant my comment to refer to this specific incidence where a white and black person are interacting.

I qualified my comment as (for a white person), which doesn't mean (only for a white person). I used the phrase "a white person" because we were dealing with one example. You can use it to generalize to the rule:

If a white person uses the N word in anger directed at a black person, it is probably because they are probably a racist.

I have not stated or meant to state that other types of people can't be racist or act like a racist, just that this very specific instance is evidence of racism.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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what was being done to the woman that provoked her to use the slur?
Please, you're breaking the rules. This is the News & Current Events Forum. We're provided small snippets of incomplete information from someone we don't know and we form passionate opinions about what we think happened and what it means. ;)

Anyway, in the video, she says someone "smacked her in the head", before she used the slur.
 
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what was being done to the woman that provoked her to use the slur?

She was complaining about their music.

Someone hit her in the head, unprovoked.

You can't expect her reaction to be the reaction of a "good" passive non violent Christian if she is not.

White women should be able to ride a bus without being hit in the head also but apparently you dont agree.

I get that black people dont want to be the brunt of racism, no one does, but nothing gives anyone the right to become the racists.

When it becomes unsafe for anyone to simply be/exist in a neighborhood largely populated by a different race, regardless of what race, because if the color of their skin then there is a serious problem that needs addressed.

This is the United States in 2018. Not a third world country.

You sound like you are justifying violence. (shrugs) I don't see rational behavior with either party. You want to justify beating someone up over this - go for it. It's still not rational, but go ahead and justify it if you want too.

Well, as we're reminded every time there is a video involving police brutality, we don't know what happened before the tape started rolling. It appears she got popped in the back of the head, and that there was an argument about passengers playing their music too loud, but we don't know if she asked them to turn it down nicely, or if she was rude from the beginning. So until all the facts are in I can't take sides. I think leaving her on the sidewalk was overboard, but as the saying goes, when you campaign for a butt whuppin', sometimes you get elected.

I can say that the history of that word is well known enough that she should have known better than to use it. And the rationale that because SOME black people use the word toward each other as an excuse that it is ok to call random black folks the n word is not a valid argument. There are SOME black people who are also against the use of the word in any context.
 
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This is amusing. I'm in my 40s. I have been called that term, in public, by various people of the Caucasian persuasion since I was 9. I am not confrontational, so I usually lowered my head in humiliation and scurried away, as onlookers (also Caucasian) said nothing. That word and words like it, have been lobbed at me to make me feel isolated, ignorant and without hope. I've turned the cheek for over 3 decades and what has that gotten me? What did the louses who wanted to pick on the lone Black child or woman learn?

Am I to be stepped on?

I don't think so. People who use those words seek to shut us up and shove us into the space they believe we belong in. They are demanding something and I think they deserve a response.

She got a response.

This is the world we all helped make. She didn't get what she wanted, but she got what she asked for.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. People aren't stupid, they know the power of the word and how it has been used to hurt black folks and often women and children are the prime targets. There was an article posted not too long ago that gave stats that showed that black people still are the target of hate crimes more than any other group.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/16/african-americans/

I agree the woman was stupid for escalating the situation. The people around her had already demonstrated the desire to commit violence against a person so escalating was wrong.

I have been the brunt of racism, the most notable was when a black man followed me around downtown Chicago screaming at me telling me to go back to my own country.. Even though I was scared of him, after an hour of it - he even waited outside stores to continue his tirade for goodness sake - I did finally just stop, turn around and yell that I was in my own country right now... not that it stopped him at all. I finally had to hide out in a store that was kind enough to allow me to stay for about three hours until he finally gave up and went on his way.

here's the deal, when you are attacked, feel cornered and are scared, you really don't know how your going to react - even if your a passive person. I was an idiot for turning around and yelling back that day too.. but I did.

Thing is, it shouldn't matter, that woman shouldn't have been hit... this is 2018. and we should be better than this in the land of the free, black, white or brown.

People blame this on Trump. But its the left victim blaming and it's the left making everything about race for the last decade attempting to instigate a race war...

Likewise, I'm sorry this happened to you. Being followed can be scary especially for a woman. I've seen a lot of videos posted on line with people targeting foreign born people or people that "look" like they are foreign born rather they are American or not. Normally it's a white person being the harasser, but I know there are black people who have also started to buy into bigotry against others since the rhetoric against Muslims, Latinos and others has come mainstream from the WH. Just like I encourage my black friends not to hold all white people accountable for evil they see done, to realize there are individuals involved and not indicative of white folks as a collective, the actions of this one black man is also not indicative of all black people as a collective.
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I pray you both get the healing you need to be at peace and live without fear as and that the experiences that you have had do not negatively impact your mind and emotions going forward.
 
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There was an article posted not too long ago that gave stats that showed that black people still are the target of hate crimes more than any other group.
Not so. Unless the article left off Native Americans.
 
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Well, as we're reminded every time there is a video involving police brutality, we don't know what happened before the tape started rolling. It appears she got popped in the back of the head, and that there was an argument about passengers playing their music too loud, but we don't know if she asked them to turn it down nicely, or if she was rude from the beginning. So until all the facts are in I can't take sides. I think leaving her on the sidewalk was overboard, but as the saying goes, when you campaign for a butt whuppin', sometimes you get elected.

I can say that the history of that word is well known enough that she should have known better than to use it. And the rationale that because SOME black people use the word toward each other as an excuse that it is ok to call random black folks the n word is not a valid argument. There are SOME black people who are also against the use of the word in any context.

Whether she asked nicely or not? Both parties get a grammy for bad behavior, and neither get the oscar for rational behavior.

I have had my share of rude people approach me, and I don't go around beating them up. I've had a ton of slurs thrown my way, and again never since I was a teenager got into a physical fight over it.

The parties that did this? They will say she should have known better than to use the word - which is no doubt true!

The judge will remind them they should have known better than to assault her over the word. Which is also is just as true.

Their campaign for a butt whuppin' - sometimes you get elected term you used? The judge will remind them about knowing better too, and it's NOT worth the legal hot water afterwards. Their rationale is a big failure in the legal system.

People today find all kinds of legal ways of terrorizing people they don't like, or can't handle their POV in life.
 
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She was complaining about their music.
Did you see a different video? Both the video and the article say that her only "complaint" was that someone smacked her in the head.
 
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My best friend in my junior year was black. I'm Caucasian. I say Caucasian because only albinos are white.

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Technically brown isn't black.
 
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Did you see a different video? Both the video and the article say that her only "complaint" was that someone smacked her in the head.

I searched it on youtube. It's about the same length, but it mentions the music. Once I'm back on my pc I'll see if I can find it again and give you the search terms.
 
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We apologized to him, said we had been to the zoo and she had not seen many black people, especially ones only in a bathing suit. He actually did not get upset al all and pretended to be a gorilla with her.

That's great he took it kindly, but I'm sure you apologizing made the difference. I worked for a paralegal in my twenties who almost got jumped because her daughter accidentally did something someone took as racist. Good Times was popular on TV at the time, so when they were out walking and she saw a black man, she started walking like J.J. did in the show to him. He was her favorite character and she - being so young - didn't get how it could be taken wrong. The man got enraged and told my former boss he was going to beat up both her and her daughter, but she explained that she saw it on Good times and didn't know any better, so he fortunately was calm after that!

As to this article, the woman sounds hateful, racist and like she doesn't have any sense.
 
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