A White Officer Shoots a Black Colleague, Deepening a Racial Divide

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A White Officer Shoots a Black Colleague, Deepening a Racial Divide
Milton Green was in the driveway of his home on St. Louis's North Side one night when he suddenly found the barrel of a gun pointed in his direction. Right away, his police training kicked in: He pulled a badge from beneath his T-shirt and grabbed ahold of his service weapon, a 9-millimeter Beretta.

"Police! Put the gun down!" Mr. Green shouted to the man with the gun, who had been fleeing the police when the car he was riding in crashed in front of Mr. Green's red brick bungalow.

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On the night Mr. Green was shot, he said, he did what he thought he had to: He sprang into action when he saw an armed man on the run. As he confronted the suspect, though, he heard someone order him to drop his weapon. Mr. Green tossed down his gun and belly-flopped onto the grass. A white detective recognized him a few moments later and warned the others that Mr. Green was a police officer, too.

Mr. Green got up and ambled toward the detective who knew him, his gun pointed down in his right hand. He held out his badge so there would be no confusion. He had grown up on the city's North Side and had been stopped plenty of times by the police for no good reason before he had gotten his badge, he said.

He took a few steps and then again heard a voice yell for him to drop his weapon, followed almost immediately, he said, by a gunshot. He clutched his right forearm and looked over at the white officer who had shot him.

"Man, you done shot me," Mr. Green recalled saying before blood started spouting from his arm. He became weak and dropped to his knees.
Opinions in the department have been split over an encounter that happened a few months after Mr. Green was shot: A black officer working undercover at a protest was beaten by white officers so badly that the injured officer told a commander, using an expletive, that they beat him "like Rodney King."
 

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Your police are shooting each other now?

Makes a change from dogs, Australian tourists, random black people, children and the mentally ill I suppose.
When it's black police officers getting shot, the usual suspects are rather quiet. Actually, many of them still try to find fault with the victim.
 
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How does St. Louis compare to Chicago?


What’s the Homicide Capital of America? Murder Rates in U.S. Cities, Ranked

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As with most cities, there are particular neighborhoods and blocks where most of the violence happens.

In 2016, five police districts overseeing only 8 percent of Chicago’s population recorded around 32 percent of its murders. Two Chicago neighborhoods, Burnside and Fuller Park, counted a rate of more than 100 killings per 100,000 people. People living in them were nine times more likely to be shot in their neighborhood than in the city’s safest quarters.

The problem of murder inequality is not unique to Chicago. Last year in St. Louis, most killings were concentrated in neighborhoods like Greater Ville and the adjacent JeffVanderLou, which sit just a few miles from the city’s downtown, and each recorded a murder rate of 162. The same disparities exist for gun violence overall. Forty percent of non-fatal shooting incidents in 2017 occurred in only 10 of St. Louis’s 88 neighborhoods, according to police data.
 
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St Louis is a rough city....I think they have the same murder rate as Guatemala or El Salvador.

Wikipedia notes the top 50 cities by murder rate, (cities have to have at least 300k population), based on 2018 figures pulled from international databases. You can click the link for the full stats. This is just the list. Since methods of documenting vary it is not easy to compare across nations, but this is a start.

Four cities from the USA make the list. Saint Louis ranks number 15 in the world.

1 Tijuana Mexico
2 Acapulco Mexico
3 Caracas Venezuela
4 Ciudad Victoria Mexico
5 Ciudad Juárez Mexico
6 Irapuato Mexico
7 Ciudad Guayana Venezuela
8 Natal Brazil
9 Fortaleza Brazil
10 Ciudad Bolívar Venezuela
11 Cape Town South Africa
12 Belém Brazil
13 Cancun Mexico
14 Feira de Santana Brazil
15 St. Louis United States
16 Culiacán Mexico
17 Barquisimeto Venezuela
18 Uruapan Mexico
19 Kingston Jamaica
20 Obregón Mexico
21 Maceió Brazil
22 Vitória da Conquista Brazil
23 Baltimore United States
24 San Salvador El Salvador
25 Aracaju Brazil
26 Coatzacoalcos Mexico
27 Palmira Colombia
28 Maturín Venezuela
29 Salvador Brazil
30 Macapá Brazil
31 Cali Colombia
32 Celaya Mexico
33 San Pedro Sula Honduras
34 Ensenada Mexico
35 Campos dos Goytacazes Brazil
36 Tepic Mexico
37 Manaus Brazil
38 Recife Brazil
39 Distrito Central (Tegucigalpa) Honduras
40 San Juan Puerto Rico
41 Valencia Venezuela
42 Reynosa Mexico
43 Guatemala City Guatemala
44 João Pessoa Brazil
45 Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) South Africa 39
46 Detroit United States
47 Durban South Africa
48 Teresina Brazil
49 Chihuahua Mexico
50 New Orleans United States
 
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How does St. Louis compare to Chicago?
What’s the Homicide Capital of America? Murder Rates in U.S. Cities, Ranked

ucr-cities-ranking-2017-600x0-c-default.png


As with most cities, there are particular neighborhoods and blocks where most of the violence happens.

In 2016, five police districts overseeing only 8 percent of Chicago’s population recorded around 32 percent of its murders. Two Chicago neighborhoods, Burnside and Fuller Park, counted a rate of more than 100 killings per 100,000 people. People living in them were nine times more likely to be shot in their neighborhood than in the city’s safest quarters.

The problem of murder inequality is not unique to Chicago. Last year in St. Louis, most killings were concentrated in neighborhoods like Greater Ville and the adjacent JeffVanderLou, which sit just a few miles from the city’s downtown, and each recorded a murder rate of 162. The same disparities exist for gun violence overall. Forty percent of non-fatal shooting incidents in 2017 occurred in only 10 of St. Louis’s 88 neighborhoods, according to police data.

Wikipedia notes the top 50 cities by murder rate, (cities have to have at least 300k population), based on 2018 figures pulled from international databases. You can click the link for the full stats. This is just the list. Since methods of documenting vary it is not easy to compare across nations, but this is a start.

Four cities from the USA make the list. Saint Louis ranks number 15 in the world.

1 Tijuana Mexico
2 Acapulco Mexico
3 Caracas Venezuela
4 Ciudad Victoria Mexico
5 Ciudad Juárez Mexico
6 Irapuato Mexico
7 Ciudad Guayana Venezuela
8 Natal Brazil
9 Fortaleza Brazil
10 Ciudad Bolívar Venezuela
11 Cape Town South Africa
12 Belém Brazil
13 Cancun Mexico
14 Feira de Santana Brazil
15 St. Louis United States
16 Culiacán Mexico
17 Barquisimeto Venezuela
18 Uruapan Mexico
19 Kingston Jamaica
20 Obregón Mexico
21 Maceió Brazil
22 Vitória da Conquista Brazil
23 Baltimore United States
24 San Salvador El Salvador
25 Aracaju Brazil
26 Coatzacoalcos Mexico
27 Palmira Colombia
28 Maturín Venezuela
29 Salvador Brazil
30 Macapá Brazil
31 Cali Colombia
32 Celaya Mexico
33 San Pedro Sula Honduras
34 Ensenada Mexico
35 Campos dos Goytacazes Brazil
36 Tepic Mexico
37 Manaus Brazil
38 Recife Brazil
39 Distrito Central (Tegucigalpa) Honduras
40 San Juan Puerto Rico
41 Valencia Venezuela
42 Reynosa Mexico
43 Guatemala City Guatemala
44 João Pessoa Brazil
45 Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) South Africa 39
46 Detroit United States
47 Durban South Africa
48 Teresina Brazil
49 Chihuahua Mexico
50 New Orleans United States
This is off-topic, please refrain from derailing this thread.
 
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When it's black police officers getting shot, the usual suspects are rather quiet. Actually, many of them still try to find fault with the victim.
This is off-topic, please refrain from derailing this thread.

I am not attempting to derail the thread. People asked about the area where this occurred, and I posted about the area where this occurred.

Shot by a Fellow St. Louis Cop, Milton Green's Career Ended. Now He's Suing the City

I now found a few more details. The shooting happened in North Point neighborhood.

North Point (or North Pointe) is a middle class primarily African-American neighborhood of St. Louis, Missouri, USA.


North Point, St. Louis - Wikipedia

In 2010 North Pointe's racial makeup was 97.5% Black, 1.2% White, 1.0% Two or More Races, and 0.2% Some Other Race. 0.4% of the population was of Latino origin.


Area
• Total 0.52 sq mi (1.3 km2)
Population
(2000)[1]
• Total 3,966
• Density 7,600/sq mi (2,900/km2)

Per Saint Louis Homicide data there were 3 homicides in the neighborhood last year.


https://www.slmpd.org/images/2018_Homicide_Stats_for_Website.pdf
 
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When it's black police officers getting shot, the usual suspects are rather quiet. Actually, many of them still try to find fault with the victim.

The police commissioner noted that the shooting was not justified. So there is little reason to blame the victim.

In the cases of Mr. Green and Mr. Hall, Colonel Hayden said he believed that the use of force was unjustified. The role that race played, he said, was harder to say.
 
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Ho hum because this story is commonplace for the States; when those people begin t matter in the States, we will stop hearing these stories.

Until then, who cares? Marches and protest will happen, and then the same thing will happen. Humans behave as if there is no God taking note, or no justice to be had (since the hands of justice are slow to strike, hoping we all get our chance of redemption).

So, I can either be excited about what is happening, or recognize this is part of a spiritual process that won't stop until it gets worse - mainly because of us humans, and how we pick human worth.
The fact that all of what I said doesn't matter enough to change anything is why I wrote two words.
 
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Your police are shooting each other now?

Makes a change from dogs, Australian tourists, random black people, children and the mentally ill I suppose.

You can say they don't discriminate lol.
 
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