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Featured A warning about False Teaching in the churches!

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. Ricky M

    Ricky M Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Some say that those who proclaim OSAS are preaching a freedom to sin.

    I don't believe they are saying that at all.
     
  2. BCsenior

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    Yes, but we can let ourselves go!
    Are you another one who insists on ignoring and/or rejecting
    the many dire warnings in the NT about losing our salvation?
    And what, pray tell, is your excuse?
    How about deceived with false doctrine?
     
  3. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Glad to see you back.
    Perhaps we need more of those kind..........
    I have noticed that during the 13yrs I have been on CF, that rarely has anyone changed their view on the Bible. I can just see non-Christians viewing some of the Christian only boards and what they are thinking.

    That aside, the Scriptures have to be fulfilled........

    Jer 14:13
    Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, the prophets say to them, ‘You shall not see the sword, nor shall you have famine, but I will give you assured peace in this place.' ”
    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Ezekiel 38:21 Then will I call against him every terror, declareth My Lord Yahweh.
    The sword of every man against his brother shall be;
    [Matthew 10:34/Revelation 6:4]

    Luke 12:51 Ye are supposing that Peace I came to give in the land. Nay! I am saying to ye, but rather division

    Matthew 10:
    20 For it is not you who are speaking, but the Spirit of your Father that is speaking in you.
    21 And brother will deliver up brother unto death, and father, child, and children will rise up against parents and will put them to death.
    22 And ye will be hated by all, because of my name,--but, he that endureth throughout, the same, shall be saved.

    John 7:43 So there was a division among the people because of Him.

    John 9:16 Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

    John 10:19 - Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings.
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    Mat 10:34
    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on land.
    I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

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    Revelation 6:4 And came forth another horse, firey and to the one sitting on him was given to him to be taking the Peace from the land and that one another they should be slaying and was given to him a great Sword
     
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  4. Ricky M

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    This would be a good time to ask "what if I am wrong".
     
  5. Ricky M

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    No, no, you assume too much. People need to stop cherry picking sentences and learn to read and comprehend complete statements.

    My position is, salvation comes by believing in your heart and confessing with your lips that Jesus Christ is the sacrificed and risen son of God (Romans 8). Thus, the only way salvation can be forfeited (and it can) is by ceasing to believe and denying Christ. Living in sin is evidence your salvation is not real, and it is also what will lead you to disbelieve and deny.
     
  6. Ricky M

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    For those who think this site is full of angry arguments, try ChristianChat.com.
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello WW.
    I used to post mainly on the GT board and when I got bored on it, I would head over to the GA board to debate the "heathens" [as the KJV calls them].

    Do you remember it? It was one of the hottest boards on CF at that time, then it got sucked into the black hole of cyberspace. Not even the archived board remained.

    A few comments in response to it disappearing. A lot of non-Christians were in fact ex-Christians and know the Bible better than a lot of Christians do
    Here is a thread on it:

    Where is the general apologetics forum?

     
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  8. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    An incredible Kindergarden experience!
    And the Mods go along with it.
    Try it, everyone, you might like it.
     
  9. Oscarr

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    When you achieve absolute perfection without one single fault, let me know your secret! :)
     
  10. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Jesus had thousands of disciples following Him, but when He started talking about his death and the need to identify with it, most turned away from Him. They wanted the healing and the free lunches and were prepared to believe in Him on that basis, but when it came to a personal commitment to a Messiah who was going to die, they didn't want that. There were many in the Sanhedrin who believed in Him, but they could come out and confess it because they wanted to retain the approval of the Pharisees and not be thrown out of the synagogue. These are all who have tasted the grace of God through Christ, but ended up turning their backs on Him.

    John says that they turned away because they were never with Him in the first place, because if they were truly with Him they would have stayed with Him.

    In the end, there were only 120 in the upper room on the day of Pentecost, and only 500 real believers to whom the resurrected Christ revealed Himself. He never revealed Himself to unbelievers. So out of all the thousands of those who believed in and followed Christ, only 500 turned out to be real believers.

    Of course, after the day of Pentecost, thousands came to Christ and joined the church.
     
  11. rockytopva

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    We are all false teachers, in the eyes of some other. And I believe in the Pretrib rapture as anything else would be well announced....

    1. It would not come as in the days of Noah
    2. It would not come as in the days of a Lot
    3. He would not come as a thief

    Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Matthew 24:44
    Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Luke 12:40

    And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Luke 12:39-40

    It is scriptural to teach that Christ could come at any time, however at the hour of his choosing.
     
  12. CharismaticLady

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    What I am seeing being taught in the Church that is totally false, is that you all think perfection has to do with sin. The lie is being taught that we will always sin, and even Paul struggled with sin. Also, that Paul taught this! NO! He taught we are dead to sin. Is that everyone, but him? Is he the only apostle that is not a Christian, because John teaches that born again, Spirit-filled Christians do not sin, and that is what Paul taught also.

    Perfection has to do with maturing the divine nature. Sin is no longer the topic, because Jesus took away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. 1 John 3:5.

    Here is the path to perfection in context that even Paul was striving for, and I will highlight the particulars. Paul wasn't striving to be sinless; he already was cleansed of all his "old sins":

    2 Peter 1:2-11
    2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

    10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
     
  13. rockytopva

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    I think people who call out people as false teachers are, to sum it up with one word.... Arrogant!

    When we had a plating department in our facility I worked under a chemist. This chemist was very smart and very good at math. When he laid out equations he did so in very neat handwriting and there would be much activity as he turned the results of an analysis into an addition. I would take his calculations and put them in the form of visual basic functions and sub procedures.

    Of all the years I worked with this man I had one opportunity to witness to him. I made my presentation while he was analyzing adhesion under a microscope in which you could hear the sounds... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! After my presentation he just continued to look under the microscope as if ignored everything I said so I just continued in my work. Then... The scratch scratch, scratching stopped! And he speaks!

    "You know what I think it is?" He says while continuing to look under the microscope... "I think it is arrogance!"

    And then, without taking his eyes off the microscope, he continues his work... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! I did not reply but went about my work. Inside I feared he was right. In many cases religion can inhabit too much personal ego. And such arrogance points accusing fingers.... Not realizing there are four fingers pointing back!
     
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  14. JacksBratt

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    Not an answer.....If you don't know or don't want to say... just say so.
     
  15. JacksBratt

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    Seems to me, by the way he is speaking, that he means something different than the prophets of the bible...
     
  16. BCsenior

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    Yes, you should really remind God (who had the Bible written) that He is arrogant.
     
  17. rockytopva

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    Yes... There are those in authority to point accusing fingers... But most of what we get these days is nothing but sheer ego!
     
  18. BCsenior

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    You don't realize that prophecy is dual.
    For every one in the NT there was a previous one in the OT.
    God has done this as one method of warning people who are in the new covenant.
     
  19. rockytopva

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    Warnings against false teachers....”This cancer has been excised that I feel has caused untold reproach on the body of Christ,” Swaggart told King. “It’s painful, a surgical procedure, but it was necessary.”

    The old 1980 round of finger pointing in which in the end all lost! All who were finger pointing were just as bad as those they were accusing!
     
  20. CharismaticLady

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    So you think that if we see someone who taught a completely unscriptural false doctrine and started a movement that sends millions to hell, that we should not point that out? Just live and let live?
     
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