but it's literally written in Bible God leaves them to thier own wicked desires
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
but it's literally written in Bible God leaves them to thier own wicked desires
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
From the context of the verses, Paul seems to be talking about people who know that God exists but yet have decided to chase after their lusts.
My confusion is that if they were already doing this, they already had a reprobate mind, concerning God, and Paul's statement is more of an evaluation of what had happened. That they were given over because they have no aspect of personal conviction towards their sin. Either way, there are many people who feel convicted over their sin and have repented.
In the case of some homosexuals, if the verse was ironclad, then the point at which they started practicing homosexuality, they would not be able to change.
There are also instances of child molestation, by someone of the same sex which I'm sure doesn't Contextually apply, as it's a gray area, that have caused young children to become sexually confused who then go on to associate sexual relationships as based on their concept of sexuality because of their expierience.
Now, whether or not God has given them over without the possibility of allowing for them to repent, is questionable. There are many homosexuals who happen to change their lifestyle. As far as a verse, no one knows the extent to which it applies. It says they were given over to a reprobate mind, not that they were forever condemned.
This verses are particularly hard to read, because I know I myself am guilty of many things but I would like to suppose that those who seek repentance can be offered repentance, not that their sin nature has bound them for life.
What do you take on the stance of one of the Bible verses that say a slave has no place in a family, but a son has a place in a family forever? It insinuates a son, is literally a part of a family, and as such, can never be disregarded as family.
There are so many things I wish were explained in a full clarity in The Bible and I can not understand why they were not, other than, for what seems to be a military purpose which is itself confounding, the concelment of information or abstracting information that no one would be able to understand who is not a part of a group of people, such as in the case of parables.
My particular question deals with why aren't Christian's more active
togheher in the world, rather than, from what you can tell, those who show up to a sunday session and are islands throughout the rest of the week. I feel Christian's have made it hard for themselves because instead of living in a way that is conveinyant for Their Faith they have instead tried to live according to the standard of the world rather than being a true Community. satanist's hang out all the time, lobby together, as The Bible Say's the world knows it's own but it seem's like no Christian's know their own.
Christian's are islands while the world is more progressive and it's more easy to conquer people after they have been divided.
