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A serious discussion on...masturbation

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by JeTmAn, Jun 2, 2002.

  1. seebs

    seebs God Made Me A Skeptic

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    Could you give the exact biblical quotes that discuss masturbation? I seem to be having trouble finding any. I can't find any reference to sexual immorality that explicitly includes actions that don't involve other people, even by proxy.
     
  2. Hank

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    You did not read one thing I wrote.

    Hank quoting Hank:
    In short quote me the Bible and show me were masturbation is a sin.

    To 1 - It is the Christian saying masturbation is sin, not I. Therefore the burden of biblical prove is still in your court!

    To 2 - Again see 1.

    To 3 - I never said you were. Read my post, it applies to Christians.

    To 4 - This is my opinion about you, based on what you wrote. Keep in mind I was a Christian.

    To 5 - Salomon wrote to enjoy life and keep pleasures to limits since they are all but useless in the end. Not sure how else to phrase my sentence. If it gives you pleasure but hurts no one, what could possibly be wrong with it?
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "Only God *knows*. "

    and I'd disagree. Its made clear in the bible man knows right from wrong now.
     
  4. Ray K

    Ray K Cogito ergo sum

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    You know, I think it's worthwhile to take a moment and deduce JeTmAn's motivation in starting this "discussion".

    In his first post, he says:
    Sounds reasonable. Obviously wants to hear pros and cons on it.In his next post, he replies to Hank with:
    OK. Now it's clear that he is emphatically negative towards masturbation (not that there's anything wrong with that), and only wants to hear from people who condone. And he obviously has some real sexual hangups he's dealing with. Then to me, he replies:
    Then, in his final post, we see more of his inner sexual demons:

    Guys, I think it's clear here that this thread is a sexual "cry for help" from JeTmAn about this problem that's eating him up. I'm being completely serious here. If he hasn't given himself a "release" in over two weeks like he claimed, it's not going to get any better. Eventually he's going to give in and feel even worse. I know all about this because masturbation gave me a huge guilt trip when I was a Christian.

    I cannot counsel to him because he does not respect my non-Christian opinion. However, I hope someone else here can take the lead and help him out privately.
     
  5. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    well why do you masterbate? Because something in all probably fact "turns you on" or gets you going. That is usually accomplied by lustful thoughts. I'd say that its completely wrong. If you want to talk about specific instances that's a totally different thing. For example not all men are married so for them sex is wrong. Married men are a speicific example. For now I'll go with its wrong because it inductes lustful thoughts. If you say other wise you're just lying to yourself.
     
  6. JeTmAn

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    Just because an animal does it doesn't make it natural for a human. Many animals eat their young, is that natural for a human? I already made this point.

    When I said it is my experience, that means that from all the people I've talked to (MANY on the internet) that is how it runs. Bizarre, sordid and disgusting.

    And you know what? I almost never fantasize now that I don't masturbate, whereas it was a daily occurrence when I did. Imagine that.


    I don't. Alcohol holds little value for me; I've seen what my friends and roommates do when they're drunk. However, my 21st birthday is this Saturday and I do plan to have one drink for the occasion, and I may even drink after that. But it will not become a habit, and I will never become drunk. I am sure enough in my self control and God's control to know this.


    You misinterpret my words. I never said you weren't allowed to post in this thread. What I said was that I started the thread to hear Christian viewpoints. Your viewpoint as a secular person on this particular issue holds very little value for either myself or other Christians.
     
  7. Ray K

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    You're evading the obvious. "Natural for a human" is an oxymoron.

    You are now asserting that masturbation is unnatural simply because you believe it is.

    Young children can get erections without any sexual stimulus. Is that unnatural? Adolescents can unintentionally have "noctural emissions" in their sleep. Is that unnatural? As seebs pointed out, 99% of adult men have masturbated and the other 1% have lied about not masturbating. For something that you assert to be unnatural, it seems to be very common.

    I think that you are simply ashamed of your masturbation because of your religious upbringing and are looking for people to affirm your shame.

    YES! YOU ARE A SINNER AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED! CONGRATULATIONS AND PRAISE GOD THAT YOU HAVE STOPPED MASTURBATING!

    There. Happy now?
     
  8. ChristinaMarie

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    Hi Guys,

    I think a possible biological reason why guys need to masturbate, is to prevent premature ejaculation when he gets a wife.

    By masturbating, you desensitive yourself.

    If a guy never masturbated, well, on his honeymoon, he may end up being a bit of a disappointment to his frustrated wife, coz of premature ejaculation.

    I think you guys should treat masturbation, like you treat alcohol. In moderation.

    Love,
    Auntie Christina
     
  9. DaveKerwin

    DaveKerwin Represent the Most High

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    (Dr Evil voice.) Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

    I can understand where you are coming from, but I think you are giong from an ungodly angle. Everyone has their opinion I suppose :rolleyes: ;)
     
  10. ChristinaMarie

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    Scripture tells us to do all things in moderation.

    Quite frankly, many of the posts in this thread, remind me of the way the Pharisees used to debate the OT.

    You're making salvation out to be something that is FAR from grace.

    You are giving men and women burdens too heavy too bear, and not lifting a finger to help them.

    NOW, who's being ungodly?

    Christina
     
  11. Kelier

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    Masturbation is a type of sexual immorality. Paul said it would be better to marry than to burn with passion.

    I don't see that anyone said that this is a salvation issue, but a sin issue.

    Scripture does not tell us to do all things in moderation. Should we murder and lie in moderation too?
     
  12. ChristinaMarie

    ChristinaMarie Tiger Kitten

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    It is your OPINION that masturbation is a form of sexual immorality.

    Christina
     
  13. DaveKerwin

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    HERE ARE YOUR BIBLE VERSES

    This is not exhaustive, but it does the job. Please read it all, and process it as if you really want to give it a chance. I will provide the verses, principles, and questions that a christian should ask himself or herself to determine if masturbation is sinful.

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    1 Corinthians 6: 12-13
    "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

    1 Corinthians 6: 17-20
    But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

    Ephesians 5: 3-4
    But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

    1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8
    Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

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    Principles:
    1. Your body is meant for the Lord, not sexual immorality.
    2. You were bought at a price, honor God with your body, sexual immorality is a sin against your body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit, the place in which God dwells.
    3. Do not even have a HINT of sexual immorality among you.
    4. It is God's will that you be sanctified, that you learn to control your own body in a way that holy and honorable, not in lust. God called us to be holy.

    Questions :
    1. Does masturbation master you? It is stopping you from allowing your body to be used for the Lord?
    2. Do you honor God with your temple/body?
    3. Do you consider masturbating (which includes lustful thougths) to be a hint of sexual immorality?
    4. When you masturbate, do you show control of your body?
    Do you show honor to God when lust takes control of your body?
     
  14. Ray K

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    Christina, this is why I don't give women advice on feminine hygiene.

    Masturbation does not desensitive anything. I know this first-hand (ba-dum bum!) :p
     
  15. ChristinaMarie

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    That's coz you're not a Gynaecologist Ray! :p

    Christina
     
  16. DaveKerwin

    DaveKerwin Represent the Most High

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    Did you read my long post with the verses and whatnot? Please give a detailed responce to that, and show how masturbation is not sexually immoral. Do not overlook any part of any of those verses.
     
  17. ChristinaMarie

    ChristinaMarie Tiger Kitten

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    Dave,

    If you want me to answer this, you must answer these questions first.

    1. Is oral sex in marriage sexually immoral?

    2. Is contraception in marriage sexually immoral, and also an affront to God's providence in providing children?

    3. Is masturbation by one's spouse, sexually immoral?

    Christina
     
  18. DaveKerwin

    DaveKerwin Represent the Most High

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    I don't mind answering your questions. Before I answer, let me say that my replies are not my official views. I am somewhat undecided on those, but here we go.

    1. Oral sex, well, I think thats between the couple in a one flesh relationship. I do not see biblical reasons why it should be avoided. God made sex for the married couple to enjoy. If a married couple wishes to have oral sex, I see nothing wrong with that (see above stipulation).

    2. I don't see contraception as a hinderance to God's providence. Our mandate from creation is to form and fill the earth. I plan on doing just that.

    3. Masturbation in a marriage relationship is between the couple in a one flesh relationship. If it bother's my wife that I think about her sexually and masturbate, then I would no longer do it. Of course I do not have a wife, so its tough to say.

    There are your answers. Now reply to mine as you said you would.
     
  19. ChristinaMarie

    ChristinaMarie Tiger Kitten

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    Dave,

    I'll make several responses, here's my first.

    "3. Do not even have a HINT of sexual immorality among you. "

    You quote this about masturbation, yet you think oral sex is okay, and contraception. I find that VERY hypocritical.

    'If you're married, anything goes, but if you're single, you can't even masturbate now and again.'

    Sexual immorality in marriage, defiles the marriage bed.

    Sex is for pro-creation. Contraception is an excuse for married couples not to exercise self-control.

    I can take a devout Roman Catholic seriously on this, I will answer your post though, tomorrow.

    Christina

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  20. ChristinaMarie

    ChristinaMarie Tiger Kitten

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    "1 Corinthians 6: 12-13
    "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. "

    Sexual immorality refers to having sex with someone who is not your spouse.

    It is relevant to masturbation, in that it should not be such that it has control over you. ie lack of moderation.

    Christina
     
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