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A Sabbath of rest to YHWH

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by gadar perets, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    Hebrews 4:4
     
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  2. Lulav

    Lulav Walking on Sunshine! Staff Member Administrator CF Staff Trainer Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Luke 10And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath. 11And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself. 12And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity. 13And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. 14And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. 15The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering? 16And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? 17And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.

    Matthew 12
    1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
    2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
    3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
    4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
    5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
    6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
    7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
    8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
    9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
    10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
    11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
    12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

    Mark 8 1
    And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
    2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
    3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
    4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill?


    And the most pertinent passage.

    7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
    8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
    9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
    10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
    11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
    12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? 13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
    14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
    15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
    16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
    17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
     
  3. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    There is nothing new under the sun, everything that exists has already existed. If the human race was somehow made extinct, their would be no more human race because YHWH has finished all of his work since the beginning. Fortunately Noah found grace to continue the human race.
     
  4. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    Thanks for clarifying. So what is your point? And why did you bring up the six day war in your other post?
     
  5. gadar perets

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    And what is your point here?
     
  6. gadar perets

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    I assume you posted this to support my belief that YHWH rested on the Sabbath.
     
  7. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    So, in Hebrews 4:4 you show that YHWH rested on the Sabbath. Here you show that YHWH works on the Sabbath. I am not a mind reader. Please state your point.
     
  8. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    YHWH worked for only six days, Israel did fight her enemies for only six days in 1967. YHWH finished all of his work in six days, the seventh day He rested.
     
  9. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    YHWH created man on the sixth day, YHWH rested from all of his good work on the seventh day. The seventh day had no morning or evening, a day begins in the morning ends in the evening. The Sabbath is celebrated from Friday evening to Saturday evening. Moses mentions the evening before the morning, the sixth day had evening and morning after light was separated from darkness. What fellowship does light have with darkness? Before YWHW called the light day; darkness night the earth was in darkness void without form or shape. The light shined "there" to reveal to us the eath's form and shape. There must be light in order to have day.
     
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  10. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    YHWH was in a certain place, when YHWH spoke about the seventh day. There remains a place of rest, let us be careful not to fall short from entering into YHWH place of rest like those ancient people who were disobedient.
     
  11. Dave-W

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    Come on. YOU know the issue with those passages as should everyone else here. Positive commands always trump negative commands when in conflict. And that was exactly what our Lord appealed to for explaining to the Pharisees why He healed on the Sabbth.

    THE command to preserve life trumps not working on the sabbath.
     
  12. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    The Sabbath day is only one day. A man must work while it is day, the night cometh no man can work (John 9:4). The Sabbath is celebrated Friday evening to Saturday evening. A day is 12 hours?(John 11:9) On the seventh day, there was neither evening or morning.
     
  13. gadar perets

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    Thanks. That's as clear as mud. I still don't know why you brought this up. What does this have to do with whether or not YHWH rests on the Sabbath?
     
  14. gadar perets

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    ???? Again, what does this have to do with whether or not YHWH rests on the Sabbath????
     
  15. Lulav

    Lulav Walking on Sunshine! Staff Member Administrator CF Staff Trainer Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    I'm not sure what you assumed by what I posted but I don't need an admonishment.

    I was trying to answer the OP with those passages. The question was

    This as I said, was the most pertinent one. Yeshua himself is saying here that His Father worked on the Sabbath and so did he, as it is lawful to do good on that day.

     
  16. Lulav

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    I think you got me mixed up with another poster (this post) I never mentioned Hebrews. I only posted once when you made this post. :)
     
  17. gadar perets

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    The works the Father and the Son do on the Sabbath are not the works the Father rested from on the Sabbath. You make it sound like the Father no longer rests on the Sabbath. So your reply does not really address the OP. The question remains; If the phrase "a sabbath of rest uno the land" means the land gets to rest, wouldn't the phrase "a Sabbath of rest to YHWH" mean YHWH gets to rest? The answer must assume the same kind of works mentioned in Exodus 35:2 in the OP.
     
  18. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    I sure did. Sorry. :sorry:
     
  19. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    We know YHWH is good, is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath day? YHWH rested on the seventh day, this day has no morning or evening. A day begins in the morning, day ends in the evening. The Sabbath has no beginning or end, for those who are not from this world. In a world without the sun, when does a day begin or end? (Revelation 22:5)
     
  20. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    Yes

    Are you a proponent of a dawn to dusk Sabbath?

    YHWH is not from this world and He kept rested on the Sabbath from the moment it began after the sixth day ended until the moment it ended when the first day began again.
     
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